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The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

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ScoobyDoo said:
True. Just as long as we all admit that the train really didn't get going until Obama became President. Bush II was able to actually execute an agenda, hire who he wanted to work, and Nancy Pelosi passed many bills that were signed. As soon as Obama took office then the party of "NO" came alive. And they're still saying "NO" even though they're in power. There is a special place in hell for the Bone Man and Itch, of that I have no doubt.
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I would recommend waiting a few months before laying judgement upon a single party being the party of "NO". ;)
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Perhaps it's a good reason to keep it around, though. Today in Congress, you have a number of prideful individuals whose practically only mission to get into history books, and they feel that the only way to do that is to do something. We have had more legislation jammed through in the last couple of decades than in a very long time. It fits with Mr. Day's warnings about how the NWO will be using "change" as a method of pushing their agenda.

To your point, we have also seen a broadening of federalism, and we have many federal statutes that are clear tenth amendment violations, but are pushed through funding loopholes, such as the 16th amendment and federal highways. Centralization causes failure when scope is broadened. It's exactly what happened to both the Roman Empire and the USSR. This is not to say, however, that we should make the same mistakes we made when the Articles of Confederation were in place. What would help this country the most is a greater push towards state autonomy.
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I don't agree at all, which is just another argument for a great Divorce. The Eloi can have a fully national system and entirely abolish the states. The Morlocks can have a Holy Roman Empire where the federal capitol (I assume in Dallas?) consists of 6 fileclerks and every state has its own DOD.

Write the two new constitutions and then have each state vote which of the three to join: the Old US, the New Union, or the New Confederacy.
 
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Kepler said:
I don't agree at all, which is just another argument for a great Divorce. The Eloi can have a fully national system and entirely abolish the states. The Morlocks can have a Holy Roman Empire where the federal capitol (I assume in Dallas?) consists of 6 fileclerks and every state has its own DOD.

Write the two new constitutions and then have each state vote which of the three to join: the Old US, the New Union, or the New Confederacy.
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So long as the big government don't decide that they want to suddenly try to practically enslave the other states, like what happened the last time this sort of secession occurred.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
True. Just as long as we all admit that the train really didn't get going until Obama became President. Bush II was able to actually execute an agenda, hire who he wanted to work, and Nancy Pelosi passed many bills that were signed. As soon as Obama took office then the party of "NO" came alive. And they're still saying "NO" even though they're in power. There is a special place in hell for the Bone Man and Itch, of that I have no doubt.
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I think the rot started to set in with Newt in 94. Prior to that, even at the country's prior nadir with Reagan, it was still possible to govern the entire country. But with Newt it became obvious that his party and 50% of the country no longer had any interest in rationality. The GOP has run ever since -- 20+ years now -- on pure spite and malice, and it's time to amputate them to save the healthy body.

We can revisit it in 2080 when everything south of 35 N Lat looks like Burkina Faso.
 
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Kepler said:
I think the rot started to set in with Newt in 94. Prior to that, even at the country's prior nadir with Reagan, it was still possible to govern the entire country. But with Newt it became obvious that his party and 50% of the country no longer had any interest in rationality. The GOP has run ever since -- 20+ years now -- on pure spite and malice, and it's time to amputate them to save the healthy body.

We can revisit it in 2080 when everything south of 35 N Lat looks like Burkina Faso.
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The base problem is that one party thinks the Federal Government has a role and the other does not. Now I'm all for giving the States more power where it is warranted but it seems to me based on the list of national issues that we're talking about that every issue the GOP wants to fire back to the States belongs at the Federal Level. Immigration, Gay Marriage, Medical Choice, etc.

Meanwhile they had no problem militarizing our local police force.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
The base problem is that one party thinks the Federal Government has a role and the other does not. Now I'm all for giving the States more power where it is warranted but it seems to me based on the list of national issues that we're talking about that every issue the GOP wants to fire back to the States belongs at the Federal Level. Immigration, Gay Marriage, Medical Choice, etc.

Meanwhile they had no problem militarizing our local police force.
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They may not have a direct role, but they certainly have an influence. Where do you think police forces get all their gear? Military surplus. Who do you think is pushing the "right wing extremists" agenda to the cops? Southern Poverty Law Center, as seen in Spokane WA. Where do they get the idea that these domestic terrorists can be above the law all they want and get away with it? The government media complex, not only in the form of news, but also entertainment.
 
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Kepler said:
I think the rot started to set in with Newt in 94. Prior to that, even at the country's prior nadir with Reagan, it was still possible to govern the entire country. But with Newt it became obvious that his party and 50% of the country no longer had any interest in rationality. The GOP has run ever since -- 20+ years now -- on pure spite and malice, and it's time to amputate them to save the healthy body.

We can revisit it in 2080 when everything south of 35 N Lat looks like Burkina Faso.
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You post this kind of stuff and I ask myself, is this Kepler guy the reasonable guy he comes across as sometimes, or does he really believe the rabidly partisan stuff he posts sometimes. Puzzling.
 
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Bob Gray said:
You post this kind of stuff and I ask myself, is this Kepler guy the reasonable guy he comes across as sometimes, or does he really believe the rabidly partisan stuff he posts sometimes. Puzzling.
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You're objecting to somebody being both reasonable and observant at the same time?

The right wasn't always the dire threat it is today, and an intelligent right is in principle as essential to a free society as an intelligent left. The problem has been what the right has let itself become: plutocratic, belligerent, and proudly ignorant. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
 
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Kepler said:
You're objecting to somebody being both reasonable and observant at the same time?

The right wasn't always the dire threat it is today, and an intelligent right is in principle as essential to a free society as an intelligent left. The problem has been what the right has let itself become: plutocratic, belligerent, and proudly ignorant. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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And we saw it with the challenge for Boner becoming speaker, and he immediately threw people off committees that didn't bow to him. Both sides have become equally fascist. The left is the exact same way.
 
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Kepler said:
You're objecting to somebody being both reasonable and observant at the same time?

The right wasn't always the dire threat it is today, and an intelligent right is in principle as essential to a free society as an intelligent left. The problem has been what the right has let itself become: plutocratic, belligerent, and proudly ignorant. Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son.
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Insert "left" where you say "right" and that's roughly how the other side sees your side. Making the other side out to be so totally horrible does no good to anyone, and is generally destructive to a nation. I think the left is way off base on a lot of things, but I think they generally think they're doing the right thing and mean well in their own way. Though I doubt you hard lefties would give any credence to the right in general thinking they're doing the right thing.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And we saw it with the challenge for Boner becoming speaker, and he immediately threw people off committees that didn't bow to him. Both sides have become equally fascist. The left is the exact same way.
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I actually think that's a different thing. One of the ways a party keeps its caucus together is by controlling committees. Intra-party politics is a hierarchy. That in itself isn't a sign of the undemocratic elements creeping into our government.

tl;dr: I don't blame Boehner for doing that. It's his only way of maintaining discipline. It's very different from playing games with amendments and roll call votes (which both parties also do, but they shouldn't).
 
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Bob Gray said:
Insert "left" where you say "right" and that's roughly how the other side sees your side. Making the other side out to be so totally horrible does no good to anyone, and is generally destructive to a nation. I think the left is way off base on a lot of things, but I think they generally think they're doing the right thing and mean well in their own way. Though I doubt you hard lefties would give any credence to the right in general thinking they're doing the right thing.
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There are sincere people on all sides; even sincere radicals. Coburn is the classic example of a guy who is so far right he could be in Nazi Germany, but who I respect because he's honest and forthright about his principles. (Wellstone was the classic example of a left equivalent. Franken may be one too, I don't know his record well enough.)

The problem is a particular strain of radicalism that has grown up on the right and whose motto is "I have the One Truth and I'll smash anybody who disagrees with me by one inch in the face." There's nobody on the left like that, and pretending there is is just false equivalency. The bomb throwers are all on the right side of the aisle.
 
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Kepler said:
The problem is a particular strain of radicalism that has grown up on the right and whose motto is "I have the One Truth and I'll smash anybody who disagrees with me by one inch in the face." There's nobody on the left like that, and pretending there is is just false equivalency. The bomb throwers are all on the right side of the aisle.
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Do you know how many high-ranking military officers have been "retired" by this administration because they dared disagree with Obama?
 
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Priceless said:
Yesterday we learned that the Tories' junk science includes stomachs that are magically connected to the vagina. Today we learn that cancer is a fungus.
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/gop-lawmaker-sees-cancer-fungus?cid=sm_fb_maddow

"This new learning amazes me Sir Bedevere. Tell me again how we know the earth to be banana-shaped."
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And vaccines are bad. Don't forget. Science is like History, it all depends on the slant of the writer.
 
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