The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Uh,,,,,,no.

It's the old game. Civilize their panties off. We've all been there. When you hold a front door, God opens a backdoor. Or something.

(Is there a Thread Drift OTY Award?)

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

In all honesty I probably make more assumptions. It's a bad habit, reinforced by the experience of several of our less, um, intellectually rigorous posters who simply spew whatever they're told by talk radio.

One thing I should know about you: you aren't that guy. (Unless the station is tuned to Alex Jones. )

Actually, lemme ask you candidly: how much of Jones do you think is straight, and how much is The Thrill of High Weirdness? As a fan of Robert Anton Wilson and the Discordians, I can quite understand the latter.

It is entirely based on what is posted. One thing I have noticed with most of these sites is that it's doom and gloom all the time. That's the case with most political stuff these days (even on the left, the EPA seems to always have something to gripe about). Even Michael Savage will post a nice history lesson of his ancestors immigrating to the country through Ellis Island, or turn to the good times of Classic Rock and Roll.

Jones does seem to push medical products a lot, mostly iodine and other nutritional supplements. I can understand he has to make money. I've never bought any of it, not to mention FlagDUDETTE's allergies would prevent me from having it in the household. Also, as a word of caution: If you have a shellfish allergy, it is likely because of the iodine content. Usually I have to get past the whole globalists this, globalists that schtick, which reminds me a lot of the common democrat from the mid-00's (Bush this, Bush that). A lot of griping, and there's plenty of it that's certainly warranted, but it's more of a "wake up and smell the roses" message than an "I will lead us into battle to restore liberty" message. That's the largest issue I see with today's world: More talking, less doing. And when something ends up happening, it's always spur of the moment and not thought out for the benefit of American values (unless, of course, that was the plan all along: to destory American values).

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Mrs. Dr. Women's Studies Professor Kepler says "if she knows he doesn't want it and she has the option of an abortion and she does not exercise it, then he should not be able to make her carry the baby but she should not be able to make him pay child support." MDWSPK is actually quite adamant about it; far moreso than I.

Want to go the other way? Sign the kid off to the father and add some compensation for the 9 months of carrying the child. Although I do worry about how many dumpster babies would result.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Want to go the other way? Sign the kid off to the father and add some compensation for the 9 months of carrying the child. Although I do worry about how many dumpster babies would result.

If they agree -- she's just a surrogate then. But during the first trimester she can always abrogate -- the decision goes from her to the state once compelling interest kicks in; he's legally irrelevant.

A mix of tech, education, and free birth control could have already made the whole debate irrelevant, but there's a lot of political rice bowls tied up with keeping abortion around as a boogeyman.

It would be interesting to poll the question, "if the parties had exactly the same stance on X, how would that affect your vote?" Some potentially interesting X's: abortion, foreign policy, taxation. I wonder what kind of changes would happen if that X were abortion, and in both directions: how many Rs would become Ds now that "baby murder" was off the table, and how many Ds would become Rs now that women weren't being treated like incubation appliances.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

If they agree -- she's just a surrogate then. But during the first trimester she can always abrogate -- the decision goes from her to the state once compelling interest kicks in; he's legally irrelevant.

A mix of tech, education, and free birth control could have already made the whole debate irrelevant, but there's a lot of political rice bowls tied up with keeping abortion around as a boogeyman.

Nothing's free. Plus, making it available at the cost of someone else doesn't mean they use it, nor does it guarantee that it will work.

 

[St. Clown]

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Want to go the other way? Sign the kid off to the father and add some compensation for the 9 months of carrying the child. Although I do worry about how many dumpster babies would result.

I can't even imagine the mental anguish to which you're subjecting the rape victim in a situation like this. I've known women who've been raped. Even without getting pregnant, they were never the same as prior to the attacks. Now add onto that a nine-month daily reminder that puts a woman into a forced serious medical condition, and society is then truly punishing the victim beyond any measure you or I could imagine.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

I can't even imagine the mental anguish to which you're subjecting the rape victim in a situation like this. I've known women who've been raped. Even without getting pregnant, they were never the same as prior to the attacks. Now add onto that a nine-month daily reminder that puts a woman into a forced serious medical condition, and society is then truly punishing the victim beyond any measure you or I could imagine.

I think you're crossing the streams. Flag and I were discussing the case where the father and mother don't agree on whether they want the kid. Rape was a different case.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Nothing's free. Plus, making it available at the cost of someone else doesn't mean they use it, nor does it guarantee that it will work.

"Subsidized," if you prefer.

Your second sentence could equally apply to traffic lights. They come out of a general fund -- I don't drive on that road, WHY SHOULD I HAVE TO PAY????!!!!

Birth control's way less expensive than drug treatment and the penal system. About some things you have to say, "oh shut up and pay, you big baby."

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

I can't even imagine the mental anguish to which you're subjecting the rape victim in a situation like this. I've known women who've been raped. Even without getting pregnant, they were never the same as prior to the attacks. Now add onto that a nine-month daily reminder that puts a woman into a forced serious medical condition, and society is then truly punishing the victim beyond any measure you or I could imagine.

I'm well aware of what that sort of stuff does. And believe me, if there was a way to incubate a growing child separated from the mother, then by all means. If you don't seek an emergency contraceptive after escaping from the rape situation, then that tells me that you don't truly not want the child. Yes, I understand that those things sometimes don't work and that's when it's acceptable to seek that sort of thing.

However, you are trying to use to the ends to justify the means. The biggest issue I see is when you have hot-headed women that weren't raped and kill their man's child without the man knowing about it, just because of said legal rammifications. Then they'll claim rape to get back at the person if they disagree with the decision. Feminazis are the ones pushing this stuff.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

The biggest issue I see is when you have hot-headed women that weren't raped and kill their man's child without the man knowing about it, just because of said legal rammifications. Then they'll claim rape to get back at the person if they disagree with the decision. Feminazis are the ones pushing this stuff.

Jesus. You really are cuckoo for cocoa-puffs.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

I think you're crossing the streams. Flag and I were discussing the case where the father and mother don't agree on whether they want the kid. Rape was a different case.

Ah, my mistake. A bunch of posts came along since I was last on the site and skipped most of them. The great, unfathomable risks we take of injuring our reputations while posting on this site...


ETA: And then I read a few more posts and .... wow.

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Ah, my mistake. A bunch of posts came along since I was last on the site and skipped most of them. The great, unfathomable risks we take of injuring our reputations while posting on this site...


ETA: And then I read a few more posts and .... wow.

Yeah, I'm retracting my defense of Flag. I think you were right, and he's clearly nuts.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Jesus. You really are cuckoo for cocoa-puffs.

No, just standing up for men in real relationships. Feminazis will claim they want equal rights, but what they really want is to treat men like second class animals. Ever notice how, the second selective service is mentioned, they immediately back away from equal rights and become damsels in distress?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

If you don't seek an emergency contraceptive after escaping from the rape situation, then that tells me that you don't truly not want the child.

Shouldn't have worn that dress, eh?

However, you are trying to use to the ends to justify the means. The biggest issue I see is when you have hot-headed women that weren't raped and kill their man's child without the man knowing about it, just because of said legal rammifications. Then they'll claim rape to get back at the person if they disagree with the decision. Feminazis are the ones pushing this stuff.

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[Handyman]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Your facts dont matter...the NWO only wants you to believe that!

 

[Handyman]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Jesus. You really are cuckoo for cocoa-puffs.

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Bout time you caught up

 

[Kepler]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

No, just standing up for men in real relationships. Feminazis will claim they want equal rights, but what they really want is to treat men like second class animals. Ever notice how, the second selective service is mentioned, they immediately back away from equal rights and become damsels in distress?

As a man in a real relationship, I'm going to set you straight on a few things.

1) Saying "feminazis" makes you an eejit right off.

2) You should actually read a history of feminism. 98% of what feminists have fought for are things you, as somebody interested in pure equality before the law, would have fought alongside them for.

3) Third Wave feminists already fought this battle with Second Wave feminists, and in a far more effective and informed way, than you. Twenty years ago. By the way: the good guys won.

4) You're totally wrong on the "men as second class citizens" thing. That's taken from the so-called "men's rights movement," which is just a bunch of guys who got slammed for not paying child support and are butthurt.

5) On the draft you are so wrong that I can honestly say I haven't ever heard a feminist maintain the draft should not be gender-blind. This is probably a terrible idea, and I haven't pre-read it, but in my quest to find any statement either way from a reasonable feminist group I found the exact opposite: a reddit thread. So here it is, in all its glory. I notice right near the front somebody from your part of Fearless-fighters-against-misandry Loonyland chimes in, so for all I know you may be rereading your own work. But I assume somebody somewhere talks about what I have always found: feminists support treating men and women equally, period: http://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalDi...st_feminists_believe_women_should_be_drafted/

 

[geezer]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

the so-called "men's rights movement," which is just a bunch of guys who got slammed for not paying child support and are butthurt.

This is what I like about you Kepler, when you get the nail so squarely on the head.

 

[joecct]

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Sounds about right to me. Keep it in your pants and there's no problem.

But isn't that the problem? Biology is Queen and her rule is absolute. People are exercising their privilege to put Tab A into Slob B without any thought to the consequences. Only when there is the SURPRISE! does everyone get all excited (again).

 

[Rover]

Re: The 114th Congress: How Low Can They Go?

Yeah, I'm retracting my defense of Flag. I think you were right, and he's clearly nuts.

Don't forget to apologize to me as well. I've been saying that for years.

And I totally believe he's in a healthy relationship. The last one ended badly when she sprung a leak and deflated....