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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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Why? What's wrong with it?

OK...my only microscopic research shows that the least amount of cuts in your plan would come from the military and much of the cuts from 'everything else'. Beyond that my gut tells me:

Initially there would be declines in standards of living...as garbage disposal, police, road repairs and organizations like the FAA are scaled back significantly. It would take about 5 years to see the national affects of brain drain and job losses going overseas to cuts in education and other supports for science and students.

As a result, this large stream of underemployed would join our existing lower income having few prospects with little or no organized retraining opportunities. Much of this deriorating group and larger families would probably end up on the streets as they would be liable for huge tax increases...and its doubtful that Bill Gates would come through for all. Although there would be few or no public 'expenses' for this group, the fact that they are now 100% unemployed would be a big blow to the country's tax revenue...resulting in a downward spiral as revenue declines dictate declines in societal investment. This is the polar opposite approach IMO of Minnesota.

The economy and a connected deficit are the biggest challenges this country face...but personally, I don't see how this proposal positions the country for a hypercompetitive future.
 
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Examples?

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Examples?

Primarily the Chicago Schoolers, who at least believe in a centralized monetary policy (i.e., a strong Fed). Milton Friedman, Judge Posner, et al.

Anything that stems from the neo-classical or orthodox schools of economic thought would generally be considered mainstream; primarily, these are Keynsians and Chicago Schoolers, though there are certainly branches and offshoots of each.

The Austrian School is, frankly, a load of crap. Its philosophy is essentially "it's too hard to model human behavior, so we shouldn't even try. Just have faith that individuals will always act rationally and do what is best for themselves, and that society will benefit as well." It's no surprise that it tends to be popular among the religious, since it essentially treats economics like religion: faith alone will sustain you.
 
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Metaphor. Dallas won't burn, they'll just secede with Perry at the helm.

How do I donate to that cause? I would sell a kidney to get a few states to secede and take their leaders with them :D

Texas, dont go away mad...just go away ;)
 
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Primarily the Chicago Schoolers, who at least believe in a centralized monetary policy (i.e., a strong Fed). Milton Friedman, Judge Posner, et al.

Uncle Milty said Austrian economics isn't a testable theory, it's a religion.
 
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Metaphor. Dallas won't burn, they'll just secede with Perry at the helm.

We could solve many of our national problems by having the GOP nominate Perry/Bachmann, and then having every state that votes for them secede.

That's SURE to be TX, OK, MS, AL, SC and probably WY, UT, ID, SD. Of those states, the only one with anything of any value is Utah, which has lovely mountains and subservient women.
 
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Primarily the Chicago Schoolers, who at least believe in a centralized monetary policy (i.e., a strong Fed). Milton Friedman, Judge Posner, et al.

Anything that stems from the neo-classical or orthodox schools of economic thought would generally be considered mainstream; primarily, these are Keynsians and Chicago Schoolers, though there are certainly branches and offshoots of each.

The Austrian School is, frankly, a load of crap. Its philosophy is essentially "it's too hard to model human behavior, so we shouldn't even try. Just have faith that individuals will always act rationally and do what is best for themselves, and that society will benefit as well." It's no surprise that it tends to be popular among the religious, since it essentially treats economics like religion: faith alone will sustain you.
So what rate did Friedman say a flat tax would have to be? Also, isn't he considered to be the father of the flat tax?
 
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What is the timetable for the Super Duper Unconstitutional Dereliction of Budgetary Responsibility Blue Ribbon Committee, anyway?

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But you keep pretending like life is so unfair to the rich (I mean the job creators) Minnfan...

I wouldn't say unfair, I'd say it's unjust. I find it morally wrong to try to make one person more free at the expense of another. I don't care about the "rich". I care about the individual.
 
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I find it morally wrong to try to make one person more free at the expense of another.
Would you say differences in opportunity from birth due to ancestors' wealth are "unjust"? Those account for BY FAR the greatest lack of freedom experienced by American citizens.

Serious question.
 
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Would you say differences in opportunity from birth due to ancestors' wealth are "unjust"? Those account for BY FAR the greatest lack of freedom experienced by American citizens.

Serious question.

First of all it depends on how your define freedom.

That has been the beauty of America. It has been the place where where you come from has mattered less than most anywhere on the planet. I'd say the gov't perpetuating protecting that inequality (such as the caste system) is unjust. If its due to someone producing items that the public wants and passing their wealth down its none of the gov't business.

My question is how is it the government's role to equalize the outcomes?
 
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My question is how is it the government's role to equalize the outcomes?
IMO, the idea of equalizing the finish line is wrong. Equalize the starting line? I'm fine with that but that is a difficult nut to crack as the educational systems are unequal.

So, in the end, it comes down to luck, hard work, and a good accountant :) .
 
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IMO, the idea of equalizing the finish line is wrong. Equalize the starting line? I'm fine with that but that is a difficult nut to crack as the educational systems are unequal.

IMO taxing money made or money transferred to heirs should be taxed moderately...but money made on money should be taxed at higher rates. At a 15% long term capital gains tax, I am taxed less on interest on my money while I'm sitting around doing nothing than someone who toils overtime flipping burgers for his family.
 
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