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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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BassAle said:
I am all for a 30% reduction in military spending on top of winding down the wars, even though there are thousands of defense related jobs in my state (BIW, General Dynamics, national guard humvee maintenance facility, etc)
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The big question is...does the spending help us compete better in the marketplace (with the benefit of jobs and taking care of the deficit via govt income). Education yes, miltary no.
 
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5mn_Major said:
The big question is...does the spending help us compete better in the marketplace (with the benefit of jobs and taking care of the deficit via govt income). Education yes, miltary no.
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You can make that argument but nobody on the right will buy it. We've been slashing education funding across the country, including higher education funding, and most conservatives still believe that most education funding is a black hole.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
Can we keep all of the active military at active status and become the worlds largest mercenary force also? Selling our support services to the highest bidder?
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mercenary force? you want to put American lives on the line to make a buck?
 
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BassAle said:
mercenary force? you want to put American lives on the line to make a buck?
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Read the Dorsai! novels. And it is not unknown on this planet. IIRC the German State of Hesse hired out a bunch of their armed forces 240 or so years ago.

Aren't we the biggest alms dealer on the planet anyway? :)
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
You can make that argument but nobody on the right will buy it. We've been slashing education funding across the country, including higher education funding, and most conservatives still believe that most education funding is a black hole.
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It could be argued that the rate of growth of education spending lately has been cut at the local level, but saying its been slashed is probably going a bit too far.

Education spending has increased

Since 1985, inflation-adjusted federal spending on K-12 education has increased 138 percent. Yet, indicators of educational improvement such as increases in academic achievement and graduation rates have remained flat.
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MinnFan said:
It could be argued that the rate of growth of education spending lately has been cut at the local level, but saying its been slashed is probably going a bit too far.

Education spending has increased
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And my point is made. You can make statistics say anything you want. I know what I see, and I also know what is causing the budgetary issues in my school district, and across my State.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

MinnFan said:
It could be argued that the rate of growth of education spending lately has been cut at the local level, but saying its been slashed is probably going a bit too far.

Education spending has increased
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That's what's happened over the last 25 years, at the federal level, but what has happened in the last 5 or fewer years and at the local level or with combined overall school funding? The one statistic isn't enough to give a complete picture.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

5mn_Major said:
Why they wouldn't I have no idea. Reductions in infrastructure spending hurt construction crews, reductions in education hurt teachers. Every cut (or increase in taxes) hurts someone. Why would the those working in the military industrial be sacred? The only difference is that infrastructure and education actually benefits society as it pays workers. Building yet another tank does not.

But most have the sneaking suspicion that the military will skate through this anyways.
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Just making sure I don't sound like I agree with it, I'm just predicting the future...what I meant to say is they should, they won't, nobody wants to be the public face of dispatriotism;) and they lack the backbone to make the tough calls on anything else, why should this be different?

Everybody bashes the CEO that lays people off...he/she has a board and shareholders to satisfy and therefore can't weasle out of making the tough call. Many times the chance to avoid layoffs was years before and was missed so hands get tied and somebody has to be the bad guy. The government has no board and no shareholders, they avoid the tough calls so nobody has to be the one to hand out the pink slip.

edit: it is why the George Clooney character in "Up in the Air" exists, somebody has to sit there and listen to the crying and bitterness...do any of those pretend leaders in DC give you the impression they could do that even if it was the absolute right thing to do?

as I've said before, we need leaders but we keep electing politicians
 
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pirate said:
Everybody bashes the CEO that lays people off...he/she has a board and shareholders to satisfy and therefore can't weasle out of making the tough call. Many times the chance to avoid layoffs was years before and was missed so hands get tied and somebody has to be the bad guy. The government has no board and no shareholders, they avoid the tough calls so nobody has to be the one to hand out the pink slip.
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I'm reminded of something.
MICHAEL
I told those fudge-packers that I like Michael Bolton's music. God.

PETER
that is not right, Michael. For five years now, you've worked your ***
off at Initech, hoping for a promotion or some kind of profit sharing
or something. Five years of your mid-20s now, gone. And you're gonna go
in tomorrow and they're gonna throw you out into the street. You know
why? So Bill Lumbergh's stock will go up a quarter of a point.
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ScoobyDoo said:
And we all know that ain't going to happen. The people that end up on the ballot are the people that can kiss the most "special interest" ***.
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If they didn't do so and tried to stay in, the skeletons would come out anyway. The system is too large to stop now.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

MinnFan said:
It could be argued that the rate of growth of education spending lately has been cut at the local level, but saying its been slashed is probably going a bit too far.

Education spending has increased
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As it should it should be. The international arms race is in worker, executive and business productivity. I have little doubt that education spending increases at best match international standards. If as the majority of conservatives would have it, we put that money into the military...unquestionably we will lose the arms race that matters and the marketplace battlefield with it.
 
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