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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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The deal doesn't extend unemployment insurance or payroll tax cut. Sorry jobless/working class!
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So we did raise taxes after all!
 
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There was an opportunity for a truly bipartisan solution to this mess, but the Democrats ignored the recommendations of the deficit commissions. Now they get what is mostly a GOP approach. Brilliant strategy. :p
 
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Priceless said:
Gut the EPA; make it more difficult to administer things like the Clean Water Act; Hire former members of the industry to "police" themselves
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It's revolving door policy. I wonder if it's gotten worse.

“Our sense is the revolving door is still swinging too widely,” said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., in an interview with AP after he had reviewed the recusals.

In the Lafayette, La., office, nearly 35 percent of inspectors have been recused because a friend or relative works for a company they could interact with the job. In Lake Charles, La., nearly 30 percent of inspectors’ held their last job with an oil and gas company,
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Just watched Gas Land. that is some nasty chemicals in fracturing ... burning faucet, streams, wells... lovely, and I didn't know oil/gas were exempt from most clean water (air) act. Another reason to go renewable.

http://www.ewg.org/reports/Free-Pass-for-Oil-and-Gas/Oil-and-Gas-Industry-Exemptions
hydraulic fracturing is used in 90 percent of all oil and natural gas wells drilled in the U.S. (IOGCC Carrillo 2005).

Many of the nearly 270,000 oil and natural gas wells drilled in the West since 1980 have employed hydraulic fracturing, a process that involves the underground injection of tens of thousands to six million gallons of water per well.
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Almington said:
But thankfully, not on job creators! That would have ruined the recovery!
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But this raises taxes, so it breaks Grover Norquist's pledge so Republicans have to vote no...right?
 
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TimP said:
So in other words, you're voting for the guy who wants to end all the advances in women's rights, reverse the repairs on our country's image around the world, repeal Roe v. Wade, make it legal to kill gays and minorities, throw senior citizens off a cliff, and destroy the environment? And you call Obama the sellout?
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*yawn*
 
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Foxton said:
You just solved the issue of jobs. People just need to get one. It's all so simple!
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Force them to get advanced degrees (unemployment drops the higher up your degree goes), work fast food, or dig ditches. Failing that, they can become telemarketers and scammers representing Nigerian interests. It's time we show the rest of the world we know how to be criminals moreso than they do! :p
 
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Dow is up 1.34% in afterhours trading since the deal passed. I guess not defaulting helps the economy... Who knew...?
 
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Bakunin said:
Force them to get advanced degrees (unemployment drops the higher up your degree goes), work fast food, or dig ditches. Failing that, they can become telemarketers and scammers representing Nigerian interests. It's time we show the rest of the world we know how to be criminals moreso than they do! :p
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I'm disabled and can't work. Guess I should just die and get it over with.
 
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unofan said:
And then we wonder why the GOP is always in lockstep (the recent Tea Party being a major exception) while the Dems can't do anything and lose to someone like Dubya.
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Yup...except I vote for candidates that tend to at least campaign on issues I agree with. Obama turned his back on the socially liberal the second he took up residence at the White House.

It doesnt matter anyways, I live in Minnesota any vote besides a vote for the Dem doesnt count. The 10 electoral votes are already in the win column. So no vote from me actually matters.
 
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Priceless said:
I'm disabled and can't work. Guess I should just die and get it over with.
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You apparently can type, so get a data entry from home job. Or spam everyone. Or set up cameras and have a bunch of whores for roommates and profit off their actions. There's always ways to make money - just be creative and be willing to circumvent the law as necessary. :D
 
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walrus said:
Yeah, there is nothing to cut in the military budget:rolleyes: Take 10% off and we can still blow the world up many times over
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cut 10%? I think we should cut 30% MINIMUM.

don't we account for something like 45% of the world's defense spending? It is time to stop being the world's police. We could cut our defense budget in HALF and still protect ourselves if we made Europe man-up and defend themselves and stopped sticking our nose where it didn't belong. The cold war is over, and tanks and submarines don't stop people from flying planes into buildings or blowing up subways or whatever.
 
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Handyman said:
Yup...except I vote for candidates that tend to at least campaign on issues I agree with. Obama turned his back on the socially liberal the second he took up residence at the White House.
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No, he turned his back on the fiscally liberal. Socially he's been as liberal as anyone.
 
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unofan said:
No, he turned his back on the fiscally liberal. Socially he's been as liberal as anyone.
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I am not going to belabor the point, but I am just going to disagree with you. At this point it doesnt matter.
 
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Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I haven't seen anything which clarifies the "baseline" standard the bill sets:

But from what I've seen, the baseline is based upon law as it currently stands, which means the baseline anticipates the Bush tax cuts expiring in 2013 and the AMT fix not being renewed annually as it has been.

In essence, then, isn't that a tax hike (albeit one that is acceptable to Norquist) that's now built into the system? And doesn't that require the GOP, if it insists upon maintaining the Bush tax cuts, to find $2 trillion or so elsewhere to offset that?
 
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