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Undo? What ever gets undone in washington?? Nothing, that's what. Obama ran on getting rid of 3 of the 4 things that bush did to destroy us and he's failed to eliminate even one of them. Does that make him worse? Maybe.
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Undo? What ever gets undone in washington?? Nothing, that's what. Obama ran on getting rid of 3 of the 4 things that bush did to destroy us and he's failed to eliminate even one of them. Does that make him worse? Maybe.
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
I know that you're trying to answer a question about the past with your post...well to me it answers a question about the future.
After 2012, I would much rather be concerned about whether a Dem will undo past GOP mistakes...than be concerned about all the potential damage a conservative like W would cause.
I know that you're trying to answer a question about the past with your post...well to me it answers a question about the future.
After 2012, I would much rather be concerned about whether a Dem will undo past GOP mistakes...than be concerned about all the potential damage a conservative like W would cause.
leswp1
Well-known member
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
You can stop at stupid.
I can understand people having strong views and opinions on how to handle things. I can respect when they can make a logical, reasoned argument regarding those beliefs- even if I don't agree. I also believe leaders need to be able to consider others opinions and be capable of acknowledging other opinions, even if they don't agree. Actually presenting reasons why their opinion would be better is a good start. Leaders need to be able to get people to work together.
These 2 are incapable of coherent, logical dialogue. They appear unable to do anything other than thump their breast and proclaim they are right. They appear ignorant of basic facts and incapable of acknowledging anything other than their rigid belief system. The snippets they show/play are daming but one could hope they are cherry picked. The full interviews are just dam scary. I would be so much happier if they were stupid men. Why do we have the first women making a big splash with extensive coverage in politics the epitome of bottle blonde only with dark hair and big bumps on the back of their head???
You can stop at stupid.
I can understand people having strong views and opinions on how to handle things. I can respect when they can make a logical, reasoned argument regarding those beliefs- even if I don't agree. I also believe leaders need to be able to consider others opinions and be capable of acknowledging other opinions, even if they don't agree. Actually presenting reasons why their opinion would be better is a good start. Leaders need to be able to get people to work together.
These 2 are incapable of coherent, logical dialogue. They appear unable to do anything other than thump their breast and proclaim they are right. They appear ignorant of basic facts and incapable of acknowledging anything other than their rigid belief system. The snippets they show/play are daming but one could hope they are cherry picked. The full interviews are just dam scary. I would be so much happier if they were stupid men. Why do we have the first women making a big splash with extensive coverage in politics the epitome of bottle blonde only with dark hair and big bumps on the back of their head???
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
A little while ago there were questions (and in some cases, complaints) about Minnesota taxes. Here's another reflection of a coordinated private/public strategy aimed at quality rather than just cheap...
Top K-12 science education rankings:
A little while ago there were questions (and in some cases, complaints) about Minnesota taxes. Here's another reflection of a coordinated private/public strategy aimed at quality rather than just cheap...
Top K-12 science education rankings:
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Priceless
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Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
I must say that I am shocked, SHOCKED!, to see so many states in the Northeast in yellow and so many in the South in blue...
A little while ago there were questions (and in some cases, complaints) about Minnesota taxes. Here's another reflection of a coordinated private/public strategy aimed at quality rather than just cheap...
Top K-12 science education rankings:
I must say that I am shocked, SHOCKED!, to see so many states in the Northeast in yellow and so many in the South in blue...
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
is that before or after cheating scandal came out on Georgia? just saying.
I like the idea of partial compensation based on results, but as we've seen over and over people's (ceo, banker, stock trader, teachers etc..) greed triumphs over ethics. trust but verify was good enough for SALT.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...d-student-s-test-mistakes-in-cheating-scandal
Sounds like the banking, Enron executives excuse. "we didn't know".
A little while ago there were questions (and in some cases, complaints) about Minnesota taxes. Here's another reflection of a coordinated private/public strategy aimed at quality rather than just cheap...
Top K-12 science education rankings:
is that before or after cheating scandal came out on Georgia? just saying.
I like the idea of partial compensation based on results, but as we've seen over and over people's (ceo, banker, stock trader, teachers etc..) greed triumphs over ethics. trust but verify was good enough for SALT.
http://www.thestar.com/news/world/a...d-student-s-test-mistakes-in-cheating-scandal
Sounds like the banking, Enron executives excuse. "we didn't know".
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
You don't suppose that map has anything to do with migration patterns do you? We all know that anyone with any intelligence from NoDak moves to Minn. as soon as they can. To say nothing about the dumb*****es from Minn. that go play hockey in Grand Forks.A little while ago there were questions (and in some cases, complaints) about Minnesota taxes. Here's another reflection of a coordinated private/public strategy aimed at quality rather than just cheap...
Top K-12 science education rankings:
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
House Republicans brace for compromise on debt ceiling
"Compromise, in our moment of triumph? Clearly you overestimate the Democrats' chances."
House Republicans brace for compromise on debt ceiling
"Compromise, in our moment of triumph? Clearly you overestimate the Democrats' chances."
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
It should not embarrass any woman. Palin and Bachmann aren't stupid women who happen to be politicians. They're stupid politicians who happen to be women.
It should not embarrass any woman. Palin and Bachmann aren't stupid women who happen to be politicians. They're stupid politicians who happen to be women.
gounhwildcats
Go Cats!! Beat Maine!!!
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
I'm curious why in 2006 that raising the debt ceiling was so unimportant to the Democrats that not one, including one Senator Obama from Illinois, voted in favour of it. Yet in 2011, raising it is so important that if it doesn't happen Social Security cheques won't get sent out, the US will default, and basically it will be the end of life as Americans know it.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00054
I'm curious why in 2006 that raising the debt ceiling was so unimportant to the Democrats that not one, including one Senator Obama from Illinois, voted in favour of it. Yet in 2011, raising it is so important that if it doesn't happen Social Security cheques won't get sent out, the US will default, and basically it will be the end of life as Americans know it.
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=2&vote=00054
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
You're asking the wrong question. If the Senate Democrats really opposed the debt limit bill, why didn't they use their superminority to block it via filibuster?
Answer? Posturing.
They knew even then that voters didn't really understand the debt ceiling (in fairness, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense, anyway). They could oppose it, score cheap political points, and still be completely assured that the bill would pass.
Simply put, they took advantage of their minority status to avoid doing something hard. We've seen that the GOP is also good at this game. The problem, as I mentioned a few posts ago, is that the House GOP has been slow to recognize that they are now the governing party.
eta:
Eric Cantor is failing. It's not his job to tell Boehner and Obama that the votes aren't there in the House. It's his job to make the votes there. That's the entire reason for his position (along with the Whips). To do the hard work of rounding up tough votes. Cantor is not doing what's best for his country, or even what's best for his party. Cantor is riding the TP wave and doing what's best for Cantor.
You're asking the wrong question. If the Senate Democrats really opposed the debt limit bill, why didn't they use their superminority to block it via filibuster?
Answer? Posturing.
They knew even then that voters didn't really understand the debt ceiling (in fairness, it doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense, anyway). They could oppose it, score cheap political points, and still be completely assured that the bill would pass.
Simply put, they took advantage of their minority status to avoid doing something hard. We've seen that the GOP is also good at this game. The problem, as I mentioned a few posts ago, is that the House GOP has been slow to recognize that they are now the governing party.
eta:
Eric Cantor is failing. It's not his job to tell Boehner and Obama that the votes aren't there in the House. It's his job to make the votes there. That's the entire reason for his position (along with the Whips). To do the hard work of rounding up tough votes. Cantor is not doing what's best for his country, or even what's best for his party. Cantor is riding the TP wave and doing what's best for Cantor.
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
Which surprises absolutely none of us who have watched Cantor's career. Virginia might actually nose out Texas for the league lead in self-serving a-hole politicians these days, and that is heady company.
Which surprises absolutely none of us who have watched Cantor's career. Virginia might actually nose out Texas for the league lead in self-serving a-hole politicians these days, and that is heady company.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
The real problem is the 48 other states in third place. They're all trying harder now.
The real problem is the 48 other states in third place. They're all trying harder now.
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
or perhaps Cantor beleives that to reign in spending is what is good for the country. No anyone that thinks that is "stupid".
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
Why did he vote for a budget that requires an increase in the debt ceiling then?
Why did he vote for a budget that requires an increase in the debt ceiling then?
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
I imagine even his constituency would angrily oppose a budget that borrows nothing given where revenue levels are right now.
Foxton
Banned
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
You sir, are stupid. Why don't you catch up with the talking points instead of regurgitating the crap republicans were shoveling months ago.
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition
If Cantor was serious, he'd have agreed to the 80/20 split or whatever the **** it was that Obama offered. Then we wouldn't have this stupid debt ceiling issue looming over our heads, and we could go back to what we enjoy the most: b*tching and moaning about largely meaningless cultural issues such as gays wanting to marry each other, unmarried women wanting abortions, and teenagers wanting rubbers/plan B.
If Cantor was serious, he'd have agreed to the 80/20 split or whatever the **** it was that Obama offered. Then we wouldn't have this stupid debt ceiling issue looming over our heads, and we could go back to what we enjoy the most: b*tching and moaning about largely meaningless cultural issues such as gays wanting to marry each other, unmarried women wanting abortions, and teenagers wanting rubbers/plan B.
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