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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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leswp1 said:
Soda has sugar and caffiene. When you are hungry it meets the need. It is poison. NY just tried to make it so you couldn't buy it with food stamps- were blocked by the govt because it would cause too many problems. :mad: soda lobby 1- kids health 0. You would be shocked at how many people are clueless to what that stuff contains. Largest cause of (hidden) increased calories in kids is soda and gatorade.
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I don't think we're generally on a different page, but I don't see how a kid who is hungry and has a soda meets their need in any real way. Maybe masks it for a short time.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I don't think we're generally on a different page, but I don't see how a kid who is hungry and has a soda meets their need in any real way. Maybe masks it for a short time.
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It meets the body's basic caloric needs. Hunger generally means a lack of energy (ie, calories).

That doesn't mean it meets its nutritional needs otherwise necessary for a healthy life.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I don't think we're generally on a different page, but I don't see how a kid who is hungry and has a soda meets their need in any real way. Maybe masks it for a short time.
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The caffiene suppresses hunger as well as giving calories. Absolutely doesn't meet needs that it should but if you can get a cheap case of soda and it costs the same as a gallon of milk the milk doesn't go as far. Also you feed the kid a soda and he is happy for awhile.
 
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From the WaPo

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unofan said:
It meets the body's basic caloric needs. Hunger generally means a lack of energy (ie, calories).

That doesn't mean it meets its nutritional needs otherwise necessary for a healthy life.
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Unless you're guzzling a whole lot of soda daily (which scarily I know people that do), I don't see how it would even get you anywhere near the daily need for calories. It's got some calories, but not that many. A quick google shows a can of Coke has roughly 150 calories.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Unless you're guzzling a whole lot of soda daily (which scarily I know people that do), I don't see how it would even get you anywhere near the daily need for calories. It's got some calories, but not that many. A quick google shows a can of Coke has roughly 150 calories.
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1 can with each meal= 450cal of sugar, caffiene and no nutritional value. Now add the mac and cheese, Ramen noodles, etc. YUCK!
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And in the good news dept., none of the wars we are currently fighting have any shot at insolvency whatsoever.
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sure they do. if the feds crater the entire country, the military won't be exempted. but until then you're correct.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
And in the good news dept., none of the wars we are currently fighting have any shot at insolvency whatsoever.
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Libya looks like it's wrapping up. Presumably Lockheed Martin will tell us we have to bomb Syria next.

"And the money kept pouring in."
 
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leswp1 said:
1 can with each meal= 450cal of sugar, caffiene and no nutritional value. Now add the mac and cheese, Ramen noodles, etc. YUCK!
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Everyday College meals. we got sold on the calorie in-out (obesity) and forget the addictive effect of refined carbohydrates-fat-salt.
I wonder if a coma patient could live (stay healthy) on 2500 "empty" calories of HFCS or (any) sugar. or would the missing nutrition (minerals and vitamins etc..) kill the person.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/sugar_blues.htm
Dr Martin classified refined sugar as a poison because it has been depleted of its life forces, vitamins and minerals. "What is left consists of pure, refined carbohydrates. The body cannot utilize this refined starch and carbohydrate unless the depleted proteins, vitamins and minerals are present.

Sir Frederick Banting, the codiscoverer of insulin, noticed in 1929 in Panama that, among sugar plantation owners who ate large amounts of their refined stuff, diabetes was common. Among native cane-cutters, who only got to chew the raw cane, he saw no diabetes
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From the Washington Examiner: http://washingtonexaminer.com/politics/2011/08/spending-not-entitlements-created-huge-deficit

Last two paragraphs:
The bottom line is that with baby boomers aging, entitlements will one day be a major budget problem. But today's deficit crisis is not one of entitlements. It was created by out-of-control spending on everything other than entitlements. The recent debt-ceiling agreement is supposed to put the brakes on that kind of spending, but leaders have so far been maddeningly vague on how they'll do it.

This issue could be an important one in the coming presidential race. Should Republicans base their platform on entitlement reform, or should they focus on the here and now -- specifically, on undoing the damage done by Obama and his Democratic allies? In coming months, the answer will likely become clear: entitlements someday, but first things first.
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Tundra said:
Everyday College meals. we got sold on the calorie in-out (obesity) and forget the addictive effect of refined carbohydrates-fat-salt.
I wonder if a coma patient could live (stay healthy) on 2500 "empty" calories of HFCS or (any) sugar. or would the missing nutrition (minerals and vitamins etc..) kill the person.

http://www.quantumbalancing.com/news/sugar_blues.htm
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Wouldn't consuming 2500 calories/day worth of sugar presumably lead to cirrhosis? Might as well just drink beer instead - same result. :p
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Wouldn't consuming 2500 calories/day worth of sugar presumably lead to cirrhosis? Might as well just drink beer instead - same result. :p
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I concur. beer over pop. :D

Looks like food stamp (SNAP) is on the Republican talking point.

http://news.yahoo.com/usa-becomes-food-stamp-nation-sustainable-160645036.html
Altogether, there are now almost 46 million people in the United States on food stamps, roughly 15 percent of the population. That's an increase of 74 percent since 2007,


In some parts of the country, shoppers using food stamps have almost become the norm. In May 2011, a third of all people in Alabama were on food stamps -- though part of that was because of emergency assistance after communities were destroyed by a series of destructive tornadoes.

the cost doubled to reach $68 billion in 2010 -- more than a third of the amount the U.S. government received in corporate income tax last year

Presidential hopeful Newt Gingrich last year derided Democrats as "the party of food stamps". And Republican leaders in the House of Representatives propose changing the program so that the funding is through a "block grant" to the states
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unofan said:
Yeah, imagine, use spikes when the economy is in the shiatter. How dare the unemployed want to eat.
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This isn't the first recession since food stamps came along. Prior to the current administration, I don't recall any mass advertising campaigns to enroll more people in food stamp programs. Chalk it up to whatever you'd like......this President has made a priority of expanding entitlements and social welfare programs.

What really grinds my gears is that I keep hearing about "removing the stigma" from food stamps and other welfare programs. Sorry, but I WANT people embarrassed to be on the public dole. Motivation is not bred by comfort or complacency.
 
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Plante26 said:
This isn't the first recession since food stamps came along. Prior to the current administration, I don't recall any mass advertising campaigns to enroll more people in food stamp programs. Chalk it up to whatever you'd like......this President has made a priority of expanding entitlements and social welfare programs.

What really grinds my gears is that I keep hearing about "removing the stigma" from food stamps and other welfare programs. Sorry, but I WANT people embarrassed to be on the public dole. Motivation is not bred by comfort or complacency.
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This grinds my gears. I clearly remember ads in the past recessions, esp when I was younger, for food stamps/ WIC. It was the only reason I knew food stamps/WIC exsisted. The push is to make sure the folks with kids get their kids fed. Malnourished/hungry kids are stupid kids. Stupid kids don't do any of us any good if they are in schools or if they flunk out.

In a simplistic world it would be lovely to shame those who could be working. Do people game the system? absolutely. Are those people embarrassed? Absolutely not. They get a jazz everytime they get something for free and they are usually in a group of people who think the shame is a joke.

In the real world there are families with kids who need assistance to eat. Parents who are working, sometimes 2 jobs each , still can't afford to take care of the kids. Not the folks with the manicured nails, nice cars, big TVs. Real people who can't make it. Should they be held up to ridicule or shame? How about we just figure out how to catch the folks who are committing fraud instead of trying to shame people who are already trying. The shame thing isn't going to deter those you want to deter.

Anyone remember the big push to root out the fraudulent folks for welfare/food stamps? What ever happened to that. Where I was it was a huge campaign with a drop a dime kind of thing. They made big news with it but haven't heard that is years.
 
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