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The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

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The Lutheran Church in our town has a marquee reading "Be still. And know that I am Lord." I always get the image of everybody sitting on their hands in the pews uncomfortably.Whatever Bachmann calls herself, she's about as Christian as Al Qaeda is Muslim. Ship all the fundies to Mars and let them duke it out.
:p We have a family of Liberians who are refugees that have come into our church. The kids are baffled by the way everyone sits still during the music.
 
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:p We have a family of Liberians who are refugees that have come into our church. The kids are baffled by the way everyone sits still during the music.
Yah, when we visited some Christians we know in Ghana awhile back, they really enjoyed their music. It was a lot of fun. But, those Scandinavian Lutherans are just not quite the same. Not bad necessarily, but certainly different.
 
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Yah, when we visited some Christians we know in Ghana awhile back, they really enjoyed their music. It was a lot of fun. But, those Scandinavian Lutherans are just not quite the same. Not bad necessarily, but certainly different.
My Godmother's church is partnered with Resurection Church in Roxbury, Mass. That church is wild on High Festival/Holy Days from what I hear. My Aunt's church is a small, Scandinavian Church that is very staid. WOuld love to see the exchange part. :D
 
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Since when is the availability of a substance which will give up energy as freely as petroleum a conservative or liberal issue?

Seems others went 'off topic' before I. What does :):):) or similar commentary have to do with energy?


Its great that Fox is recognizing leftish Australian policies.

Australia is far left of the US...somewhere between Canada and Europe perhaps. No capital punishment, restrictive gun laws, liberal abortion positions, fewer corporate tax loopholes and greater tax on top end earners. Currently, liberals have control of the senate and the presidency...and conservatives (even called liberals) at best are close to US Dems.

Frankly, the country's surplus was driven by an average 3.6% growth rate. This is just as with the US did when it had similarly high growth rates. So if you're looking for a shining example of borderline socialism...Australia.

Another unflattering post of conservatism that will probably earn me a future snark without any relationship to the existing topic. ;)
 
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Another unflattering post of conservatism that will probably earn me a future snark without any relationship to the existing topic. ;)
They used to be able to reply with "the Irish Miracle." Oh well.
 
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I'm sure there are people like that, but the real "post-petroleum" argument is that the more we invest in alternatives, the more those alternatives will be ready when oil prices do rise, and we'll be able to transition at an overall lower energy cost. Waiting won't stop the transition -- it will mean the lines cross at a higher level. Since the oil companies are also going to be the post-petroleum energy companies, it's in their interest to wait.
Forget investing in alternatives. We need to invest in infrastructure and city planning that is actually designed for low energy use. I just got back from a week-long business trip to China, to a factory where 95% of the 20,000 workers commute twice daily (they go home for lunch) by bicycle. I think they'll be a teeny bit more prepared for the post-petroleum world than say, Atlanta or Dallas... Alternatives are not going to sustain the current US standard of living regardless of how much we "invest" in them.
 
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Forget investing in alternatives. We need to invest in infrastructure and city planning that is actually designed for low energy use. I just got back from a week-long business trip to China, to a factory where 95% of the 20,000 workers commute twice daily (they go home for lunch) by bicycle. I think they'll be a teeny bit more prepared for the post-petroleum world than say, Atlanta or Dallas... Alternatives are not going to sustain the current US standard of living regardless of how much we "invest" in them.

I agree. But we can't invest in infrastructure cause that takes public money. Maybe Wal-Mart should just start building their own cities.
 
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Alternatives are not going to sustain the current US standard of living regardless of how much we "invest" in them.

Maybe, maybe not. But the Malthusians among us have been making predictions like that for 200+ years. And they still have yet to be proven right even once.
Iowa Public Television just aired a very interesting show on native son Norman Borlaug, father of the Green Revolution. Never say never when it comes to overcoming future obstacles.
 
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The best case for the alternative fuels that have been developed to date is for all of them combined to make a dent in oil consumption at some point in the future. There is no current, single technology that can make a noticable impact, and every technology combined can't get close to replacing oil. If someone has the magic solution, that would be great, because as of now its nowhere to be found.
 
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The best case for the alternative fuels that have been developed to date is for all of them combined to make a dent in oil consumption at some point in the future. There is no current, single technology that can make a noticable impact, and every technology combined can't get close to replacing oil. If someone has the magic solution, that would be great, because as of now its nowhere to be found.

I agree with you completely. What gets me is that despite knowing this FACT so many on the right oppose fuel conservation and basically any efforts to improve/mandate better use of the cheap oil we have today. Let alone the call to drill here there and everywhere to attempt to lessen our current burden. There is no thought by our faux conservative party to save our oil in the ground for our kids and their kids. All the while running up ridiculous debts every time someone wants to make war.
 
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Forget investing in alternatives. We need to invest in infrastructure and city planning that is actually designed for low energy use. I just got back from a week-long business trip to China, to a factory where 95% of the 20,000 workers commute twice daily (they go home for lunch) by bicycle. I think they'll be a teeny bit more prepared for the post-petroleum world than say, Atlanta or Dallas... Alternatives are not going to sustain the current US standard of living regardless of how much we "invest" in them.

That sort of social change, reversing the flight to the suburbs, isn't going to happen by government fiat, or by any sort of policy or "investment." We've been an entirely atomized culture because of the ability for people to travel individually as far as they want to whenever they want to, and that's been fed by cheap fuel. Absent an alternative that continues to give us that amount of personal freedom, there will be so many dramatic social changes that the future will be as unimaginable to us as 1950 was to 1850.
 
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Maybe Wal-Mart should just start building their own cities.
Factories, mines, and railroads built their own cities. It makes sense since the US is now a consumer rather than an industrial economy.

They would barcode their citizens, of course, for easy inventory.
 
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That sort of social change, reversing the flight to the suburbs, isn't going to happen by government fiat, or by any sort of policy or "investment." We've been an entirely atomized culture because of the ability for people to travel individually as far as they want to whenever they want to, and that's been fed by cheap fuel. Absent an alternative that continues to give us that amount of personal freedom, there will be so many dramatic social changes that the future will be as unimaginable to us as 1950 was to 1850.
I agree that it isn't going to happen by government fiat (after all, although the government may be odd and demented, it is, at the end of the day, just an extension of us). However, it *could* happen by government fiat. Just stop issuing permits for low density single family housing developments. Issue permits only for high rise mixed use apartment buildings of greater than 10 stories and let the markets sort it out from there - a perfect combination of active government intervention and the invisible hand.

You are certainly right about the unimaginable future.
 
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So Warren Buffett is apparently the latest target of the Tea Party derp.

Buffett reaffirmed his long held belief that the ultra-rich are undertaxed in today's NY Times. The derp brigade has predictably responded with the financial equivalent of the old grade school argument, "If you love taxes so much, why don't you marry them?"
 
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Factories, mines, and railroads built their own cities. It makes sense since the US is now a consumer rather than an industrial economy.

They would barcode their citizens, of course, for easy inventory.
An Electrician can get into trouble in some of those "factory" built towns or neighborhoods. They have industrial voltages in some of them, not just your basic 120 /240. Walmart towns would have to be built by China and shipped here, would fall apart after one open and closed the front door 12 times
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

So Warren Buffett is apparently the latest target of the Tea Party derp.

Buffett reaffirmed his long held belief that the ultra-rich are undertaxed in today's NY Times. The derp brigade has predictably responded with the financial equivalent of the old grade school argument, "If you love taxes so much, why don't you marry them?"

Aaah, yes, voluntary taxation. That's an idea that has always worked.
 
Re: The 112th Congress: Debt ceiling edition

So Warren Buffett is apparently the latest target of the Tea Party derp.

Buffett reaffirmed his long held belief that the ultra-rich are undertaxed in today's NY Times. The derp brigade has predictably responded with the financial equivalent of the old grade school argument, "If you love taxes so much, why don't you marry them?"
If Buffet were really serious, he ought to donate the difference between what he pays in taxes and what he thinks he should pay, to charity or something. Talk is cheap, though I guess talk is better than nothing, a little.
 
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If Buffet were really serious, he ought to donate the difference between what he pays in taxes and what he thinks he should pay, to charity or something. Talk is cheap, though I guess talk is better than nothing, a little.

He just gave 37 Billion to the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation in 2006. Is that enough???
 
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If Buffet were really serious, he ought to donate the difference between what he pays in taxes and what he thinks he should pay, to charity or something. Talk is cheap, though I guess talk is better than nothing, a little.

Kinda like how he's donating 99% of his fortune to charity?
 
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