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Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!

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GopherBigGuy911 said:
So? What is your point? :p
We all agree that the hit was wrong.... can we all move on with our lives already?
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no, not everyone agrees the hit is wrong. There are several gopher fans that think the hit was not only legal, but perfectly acceptable, that is why this thread lives on.
 
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willythekid said:
no, not everyone agrees the hit is wrong. There are several gopher fans that think the hit was not only legal, but perfectly acceptable, that is why this thread lives on.
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Well all I have to say is .... Die you **** thread DIE DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
 
Re: Suspend Kyle Rau for as long as Jason Zucker is unable to play!

The only thing I am going to say about this incident is that sooner or later someone is going to die on the ice during a college hockey game. It may happen on a "dirty" hit or more than likely it will be a "clean" play.

Either way, the insurance companies won't put up with it.

The game is too fast, too violent and implementing rules & points of emphasis can't and won't prevent these neck injuries and concussions. The Rau Hit sums up the problem. A small guy at 3/4 speed can more damage than 20 mph car crash without a seat belt or airbag.

What I would propose is no hitting within 5 feet of the boards, the entire way around the rink. It won't ever happen, without a catastrophe, but its a thought.
 
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SanTropez said:
I understand what you are saying, but maybe there is a middle ground somewhere?
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what I still do not understand is why players would ever, at any level, be allowed to use their hands when checking. A check is with the torso, shoulders or hips.
Rau followed through with his hands up high.
I have refereed for 20 years and I call hands to the head EVERY TIME. teams do not like it, because coaches teach their players to follow through with hands to the head,and most referees in Massachusetts do not call it... like it is part of the game. This Rau hit is a direct result of him being allowed to (and coached to) hit high.

It honestly would not take long to get these hits out of the game, but all refs would have to call hands to the head/face consistently.

and anyone who thought that his was legal is a complete idiot, and really ought to be subjected to a blind side, 2 handed hit to the head, into some glass like Zucker was.
 
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This thread is really stupid. Rau made a hard hit, it was not from behind and it was not to the head. Unfortunately this type of thing is happening way too often in the wCHA. Ramage from Wisconsin made an extremely violent hit on a ND player last weekend, and later in the game a ND player was hit from behind. Ben Blood form ND put a very violent hit on Rau in the last game between the gophers and ND.

The officiating in the WCHA is really bad and I must blame that on Greg Shepard head of officials for the league. When he was officiating he went through an entire playoff game without calling a single penalty. I felt he was lucky to get off the ice aalive, the fans wanted to kill him,
 
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SCSU Euro said:
I think he's referring more about Rau running his mouth and being chippy. Garrett Roe wasn't a dirty player, but he sure made a number of enemies in the WCHA and college hockey. A lot of fans like that type of player, but remember that that means that player is already walking (skating) a thin line, and hits like this Friday's may push people's opinions of them over the edge.

Now to be fair, I am NOT saying this is truth, just reporting what I heard, but word on the street is that Blood went after Rau because at the end of the game, Rau made some comment about Blood's mentally handicapped sister. Again, I do not know if there is ANY truth to that, I don't even know if Blood has a sister, let alone if she's mentally handicapped, I just know that that's what some circles are saying.



A Gopher fan calling out another team's players for being pansies. IALTO
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Ben Blood went after Kyle Rau for one reason and one reason only. Because Rau is 5 foot 8 and 170 pounds. Same reason he checked Jack Connoly from behind. Blood only goes after the little guys and always backs down from anyone over 6 ft. Talk about a pansie.
 
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I can't recall how long after Zucker scored his goal that this cheap-shot occurred..but I do recall having a feeling that a gopher would retaliate because of Zucker's post-goal smack talk. I haven't read this entire thread because I simply don't have time, so maybe this was already discussed. Zucker scored a goal and after skating past his bench and touching gloves with his teammates, he then skated past the MN bench and was chirping at the gopher players. Yeah, this happens quite often, but something told me that Zucker was gonna get hit and I was right. I just didn't think it would be Rau....

We all see these types of "dirty" hits and every team is guilty. I know the Sioux have been guilty as well. Anyone who witnessed Rau's hit can't deny that there was INTENT to injure. Whether it be checking from behind, charging, elbowing, a hit to the head...Rau knew he was going to hurt Zucker somehow with the speed and aggression he dished-out. No place for that type of hit in college hockey, and I hope the NCAA will make an effort to penalize a player (after reviewing an incident) to minimize these types of dirty hits.

My 2c.
 
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WestCoastSioux said:
I can't recall how long after Zucker scored his goal that this cheap-shot occurred..but I do recall having a feeling that a gopher would retaliate because of Zucker's post-goal smack talk. I haven't read this entire thread because I simply don't have time, so maybe this was already discussed. Zucker scored a goal and after skating past his bench and touching gloves with his teammates, he then skated past the MN bench and was chirping at the gopher players. Yeah, this happens quite often, but something told me that Zucker was gonna get hit and I was right. I just didn't think it would be Rau....

We all see these types of "dirty" hits and every team is guilty. I know the Sioux have been guilty as well. Anyone who witnessed Rau's hit can't deny that there was INTENT to injure. Whether it be checking from behind, charging, elbowing, a hit to the head...Rau knew he was going to hurt Zucker somehow with the speed and aggression he dished-out. No place for that type of hit in college hockey, and I hope the NCAA will make an effort to penalize a player (after reviewing an incident) to minimize these types of dirty hits.

My 2c.
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So are you saying if Zucker would have kept his big mouth shut this wouldn't have happened?
 
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That's exactly what I'm saying. Still...running a guy like that because he's talking ***** simply shouldn't happen. Zucker isn't the only player in the league that runs his mouth. Rau was trying to shut him up..and I guess he did, but at what cost?
 
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WestCoastSioux said:
That's exactly what I'm saying. Still...running a guy like that because he's talking ***** simply shouldn't happen. Zucker isn't the only player in the league that runs his mouth. Rau was trying to shut him up..and I guess he did, but at what cost?
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Somehow hockey is turning into the NBA. And that's bad for everyone. Fans, players, coaches. Everyone.
 
WestCoastSioux said:
That's exactly what I'm saying. Still...running a guy like that because he's talking ***** simply shouldn't happen. Zucker isn't the only player in the league that runs his mouth. Rau was trying to shut him up..and I guess he did, but at what cost?
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You want to shut him up?
Score more goals, or maybe have Patterson stop the shot that Zucker scored on which was a very bad goal to give up.
I'd have been chirping after scoring a goal like that.
You don't hit someone in the mouth for talking trash.
 
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First Time said:
You want to shut him up?
Score more goals, or maybe have Patterson stop the shot that Zucker scored on which was a very bad goal to give up.
I'd have been chirping after scoring a goal like that.
You don't hit someone in the mouth for talking trash.
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Agreed. You tackle him in the handshake line.
 
First Time said:
You want to shut him up?
Score more goals, or maybe have Patterson stop the shot that Zucker scored on which was a very bad goal to give up.
I'd have been chirping after scoring a goal like that.
You don't hit someone in the mouth for talking trash.
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This is hockey, not ballet. No excuse for HOW Rau hit Zucker, but to say that you shouldn't use physical play to turn the momentum of a game is ridiculous.
 
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“@BruceCiskie: Interesting perspective today from someone I know and trust on the issue of suspensions in college hockey.”

“@BruceCiskie: This person wouldn't have had a major issue with both JT Brown and Ben Blood being suspended for the HFB penalties they committed Fri/Sat.”

“@BruceCiskie: Now, the line between a misconduct and a DQ for HFB penalties is not firmly drawn. It's rarely called, instead left to supp. discipline.”

“@BruceCiskie: The problem with supplemental discipline, especially in the WCHA but probably also elsewhere, is it's quite arbitrary.”

“@BruceCiskie: The problem is that hockey -- college and pro -- continues to suspend to the injury, and not the intent or impact of an illegal hit.”

“@BruceCiskie: The problem with that philosophy is obvious. I don't think I have to explain it.”

“@BruceCiskie: The other problem with officiating/suspending based on injuries is concussions often pop up days after the hit that caused them.”

“@BruceCiskie: So, theoretically, the WCHA could declare a player good to go after an illegal hit, then learn the guy he took out is concussed. Then what?”
 
First Time said:
Where did I say you can't hit him?
I said you don't hit him the mouth, meaning a cheapshot to the head.
You don't need to be a ***** and hit him like that.
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Knowing Rau for quite a while, I do not believe he hit Zucker with an intent to injure. It was a charge, and he got his hands up high and certainly hit him in the head. Definately warranted the major penalty and ejection. But I don't believe for a second he was trying to take Zucker out intentionally. Hopefully this will be a lesson to a young kid to keep his hands down and not to charge when initiating contact, because you're right, there is no room for that in hockey.

But to answer your question, you said the response should have been to score or not let them score. True, but my point was/is that I find it perfectly acceptable to increase the physical play (within the rules of the game) as a response as well.
 
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One other note. It was NOT a late hit. You are allowed to finish your check, and that includes up to what I believe in the NCAA is up to a few seconds after the puck is gone. Watch the replay, Rau hits him only a few seconds after Zucker gets rid of the puck. I checked with the head of officiating for MNHS hockey and he said they wouldn't have considered it late in their games either.

Problem is, as I have mentioned before, it was CLEARLY a charge and a hit to the head. In addition to contact to the head and checks from behind, I think all charges should warrant major penalties as well, if not game ejections in addition. At least ones as agregious as Rau's.
 
mnstate0fhockey said:
Knowing Rau for quite a while, I do not believe he hit Zucker with an intent to injure. It was a charge, and he got his hands up high and certainly hit him in the head. Definately warranted the major penalty and ejection. But I don't believe for a second he was trying to take Zucker out intentionally. Hopefully this will be a lesson to a young kid to keep his hands down and not to charge when initiating contact, because you're right, there is no room for that in hockey.

But to answer your question, you said the response should have been to score or not let them score. True, but my point was/is that I find it perfectly acceptable to increase the physical play (within the rules of the game) as a response as well.
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I don't care whether you feel he intended to hit him the head or not.
He did hit him the head, that's what counts and he deserved to be suspended for it.
Nowhere did I say you can't be physical, and if you think being physical is going to shut up guys that trash talk, you are dead wrong.
I watched Roe talk trash for 4 years and he was blasted several times, he didn't shut up, especially when he knew he was in the other guys head because he knew if they were thinking about him and not the game, they would make mistakes, and he would make them pay.
You "shut these guys up" by beating their teams, not by beating on them.
Zucker did nothing wrong, Rau did.
 
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