SUNY - Cortland

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You've explained nothing. You're trying to compare other sports at Cortland to hockey. Its been proven time and time again. Keep dreaming and enjoying those "participation" awards and wondering ever summer why your team is no good..... The writing is right there on the wall, black and white. Take the weekend and try and come up with some other excuse for the school.

I see reasoning and comprehension just are not your thing. Thank the Lord you have a good womens hockey team to hang your hat on..... . God forbid if they didn't live up to your expectations. You only have 2,214 more posts to log big guy!!! Keep em coming .

 

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One of those wouldn't happen to be the Cortland parent who was seemingly unprepared for Plattsburgh actually having a (relatively tame) student section at their women's games and took exception to a little playful goalie-heckling? I get being upset because they're not praising your daughter's team, but responding to the "seive/It's all your fault" by threatening to take a freshmen "outside" to "stomp their throat in" is a bit excessive...

Don't know about that event, hadn't heard about it prior, and didn't attend that game unfortunately. I was out trying to log game time watching 756 other D3 womens games in order to get as knowledgeable as PSUChamps2001...... . I agree if that is how it went down, it absolutely doesn't reflect well on the individuals. And likely are part of the parent group that the sports administration folks do not want to deal with regularly.

 

[Mission]

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I'm not saying Canadian players are the "secret sauce" or that American players are inherently inferior. But there are quite a few examples of schools cutting the Financial Aid to Canadian players and taking a dip in on-ice performance. Plattsburgh is one of them... In the mid-2000s, they cut the Canadian-specific aid, and The men's team regressed towards .500. I would certainly say it had more of an impact on the men's team, but when you add the aid back for 06-07, a certain women's team wins a National Championship those 2 years, and the men's team is the clear #1 (but lose in the NCAA tournament) in both 08 and 09.

Or the Neumann 08-09 team where they had a grant package that was going 99% to Hockey and Lacrosse players, and the men won a National Championship that year (how that wasn't vacated is beyond me... It was a blatant violation of the rules...)

So I will concede that it has more of an impact on the men's game than the women's game, but a school like Cortland that's trying to find a group of players to buck a lower-tier reputation in hockey circles would be better served looking in two countries. It's like trying to find the "diamond in the rough" but only looking in one of the two diamond mines available to them...

"Cards" -- thanks for the logical commentary. I do not disagree with you at all. However, in the grand scheme of things, you need to crawl before you walk, before you run. Agree 100% the bigger the pool the better the chance for success; however, in this instance it makes no sense to broaden the pool if you are not getting the most out of what you currently have. Its the equivalent of buying a Porsche and you are only going to drive it 35 mph to a church on Sunday that is only 3 blocks away. Fix the no-brainer stuff first, get a good, sustainable culture rolling, then swing for the fences once your base is solid so whomever you bring in will be successful.

Hey "PSUChamps" does that sink in??????

 

[DDad16]

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I really just wanted to know if anyone was aware of what was going on with the coaching situation!

 

[bearcat]

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Yea it has always been the case and one of the main reasons Cortland finds itself on the outside looking in. It doesn't take a rocket scientists to see the advantages in recruiting north of the border and giving them FA breaks, but Cortland feels they can be competitive without. How's that worked out for them? Sad because its a really good sports school.

Oh please...we don't need more average player/below average academic Canadian players here in the US...and giving them FA "breaks"?? lol...what the he** for? In want universe does that make any fn sense?

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Oh please...we don't need more average player/below average academic Canadian players here in the US...and giving them FA "breaks"?? lol...what the he** for? In want universe does that make any fn sense?

Maybe because its nearly twice as much for them to go to school you're right, hockey would benog so swell with no Canadians playing lol.....and baseball would be super with no Latinos. Im sure the Chinese basketball league would just be amazing with no American players there either.

I admire your patriotism (okay not really) and being so pro-American hockey...but history has CLEARLY shown the lack of Canadians on your average Division IIi team tends to lead to a very unproductive program at the Division III level. If you can't grasp that concept, then you obviously haven't payed much attention to Division III hockey over the last 30 years.

Sucess has also shown that teams that offer the bigger FA packages to such foreign athletes have a much better success rate. And once said FA packages are phased out or cut off, the program declines. Again, anyone who has followed Division III hockey would know this.

 

[hockey55]

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Biggest reason be able to recruit Canadians helps in D3 is it's a bigger pool to pull from. So many schools are priced too high to be reasonable for Canadians so the majority of schools are all sharing the same pool of American players. The few schools that are cheap enough for CAN have less competition in recruiting and essentially double their talent pool. Of course it helps.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Biggest reason be able to recruit Canadians helps in D3 is it's a bigger pool to pull from. So many schools are priced too high to be reasonable for Canadians so they're all sharing the same pool of American players. The few schools that are cheap enough for CAN have less competition in recruiting and essentially double their talent pool. Of course it helps.

Finally....lol

 

[hockey55]

Silliest comment I have read. I have been in hockey a loooonnnngggg time. "Players north of the border" are not the secret sauce to success. Plenty of excellent players in the states to compete with just fine.

Platty and Elmira are in a class by themselves and good on them. Like I mentioned before, Cortland has improved significantly the last few years, plenty of good roster talent, but have likely not gotten the most out of the talent due to the administrative structure and coaching that catered likely too much to the unhappy few. That being said there is plenty of upside on the roster talent-wise, and a great school academically that certainly manages to attract top athletic talent in all other sports to compete on elite level nationally. Hockey should be no different, they don't need to go fishing in Canada to have a better program with a higher level of success.

This comment is silly.

 

[bearcat]

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Maybe because its nearly twice as much for them to go to school you're right, hockey would benog so swell with no Canadians playing lol.....and baseball would be super with no Latinos. Im sure the Chinese basketball league would just be amazing with no American players there either.

I admire your patriotism (okay not really) and being so pro-American hockey...but history has CLEARLY shown the lack of Canadians on your average Division IIi team tends to lead to a very unproductive program at the Division III level. If you can't grasp that concept, then you obviously haven't payed much attention to Division III hockey over the last 30 years.

Sucess has also shown that teams that offer the bigger FA packages to such foreign athletes have a much better success rate. And once said FA packages are phased out or cut off, the program declines. Again, anyone who has followed Division III hockey would know this.

You miss the point (seems you do that a lot here)....It's D....3....hockey....for girls. Nobody [other than a few like you] really cares. Why waste valuable resources...and US tax dollars to give special treatment to Canadians? Beyond stupid.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

You miss the point (seems you do that a lot here)....It's D....3....hockey....for girls. Nobody [other than a few like you] really cares. Why waste valuable resources...and US tax dollars to give special treatment to Canadians? Beyond stupid.

LOL good come back. It affects men's too, but thanks.

Okay actually I will bite....did you have a daughter who didn't make a team and or was replaced by a foreign player? Living your dreams thru your kids? I'm not sure why you're so bitter. The US/State Governments waste a hell of a lot more than a few thousand to help kids go to school at a reasonable rate.

As far as D3 goes,several D3 hockey teams serve as great community leaders on and off the ice and are huge influences to the youth of their communities. Ask just about any of my 8U team and one of their favorite parts of the season is the college hockey camp and their interactions. The community service these college kids do is huge in some small towns. So no, it's not just a handful of people who care.

You do realize its not just Canadians, and or hockey players who benefit from this? Some schools believe in a diverse school(also gives them more Federal Aid to help our American students benefit from, but hey who cares right) and giving a financial break (lowering tuition to a closer rate of those American students) to those foreign students.

Lastly, this isn't just about D3 girls. The men's side has been dealing with this for years. Both public and private schools. It's more emphasized in hockey due to it being one of a few sports which is not American dominated. (Doesn't mean there are no good American players).

So in short, if you're upset your American dollars are going to help others get an education, or help create a hockey team in a community of which no one cares about, then maybe you should just join Kapernick and kneel the next time you hear the anthem too....

 

[bearcat]

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LOL good come back. It affects men's too, but thanks.

Okay actually I will bite....did you have a daughter who didn't make a team and or was replaced by a foreign player? Living your dreams thru your kids? I'm not sure why you're so bitter. The US/State Governments waste a hell of a lot more than a few thousand to help kids go to school at a reasonable rate.

As far as D3 goes,several D3 hockey teams serve as great community leaders on and off the ice and are huge influences to the youth of their communities. Ask just about any of my 8U team and one of their favorite parts of the season is the college hockey camp and their interactions. The community service these college kids do is huge in some small towns. So no, it's not just a handful of people who care.

You do realize its not just Canadians, and or hockey players who benefit from this? Some schools believe in a diverse school(also gives them more Federal Aid to help our American students benefit from, but hey who cares right) and giving a financial break (lowering tuition to a closer rate of those American students) to those foreign students.

Lastly, this isn't just about D3 girls. The men's side has been dealing with this for years. Both public and private schools. It's more emphasized in hockey due to it being one of a few sports which is not American dominated. (Doesn't mean there are no good American players).

So in short, if you're upset your American dollars are going to help others get an education, or help create a hockey team in a community of which no one cares about, then maybe you should just join Kapernick and kneel the next time you hear the anthem too....

ok...so now ur totally clueless. my kids team [and no, unlike u I don't live through her]...has ZERO Canucks on the roster...and do just fine w/o them.

There is zero...and I mean ZERO reason to spend US tax dollars on helping Canadian women D3 hockey payers get preferential admissions and [good grief[ Financial aid to attend US colleges....U have to be a total idiot "hockey dad"...then again if you or your daughter attended that bastion of higher education...PlayypussState...well then...that says it all. Big time SAT's I'm sure. lol

 

[shelfit]

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"There is zero...and I mean ZERO reason to spend US tax dollars on helping Canadian women D3 hockey payers get preferential admissions"

Money doesn't help anyone get preferential admissions no matter what country they come from, so stop being so ridiculous. For the most part there are financial aid programs that help all international students, not just Canadian D3 women's hockey players. Take off your blinders so you can see the whole picture. You're missing out on a lot of it by being so zeroed in on just one type of student out of so many different types. Your NESCAC is showing you snob.

 

[Scott_TG]

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Please stop invoking Plattsburgh as if it's some sort of team made up entirely of Canadian players (not that there's anything wrong with Canadians). Yes, they recruit in Canada and have had prominent players from our neighbor to the north. But a lot of their best players are American. In this championship run, 3 of the top 5 scorers, including the current 1-2 punch duo of Sheeran and Meneghin, are American. 2 of the last three starting goalies were American, which includes Sydney Aveson who left Plattsburgh with most of the D3 women's goaltending records. Stop trying to use geography as an excuse for why they are the top program in the division right now.

 

[PSUChamps2001]

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Please stop invoking Plattsburgh as if it's some sort of team made up entirely of Canadian players (not that there's anything wrong with Canadians). Yes, they recruit in Canada and have had prominent players from our neighbor to the north. But a lot of their best players are American. In this championship run, 3 of the top 5 scorers, including the current 1-2 punch duo of Sheeran and Meneghin, are American. 2 of the last three starting goalies were American, which includes Sydney Aveson who left Plattsburgh with most of the D3 women's goaltending records. Stop trying to use geography as an excuse for why they are the top program in the division right now.

Since the 2001-2002 season 60% of Plattsburgh's Top 5 scorers have been Canadian. Where would Plattsburgh have been without Balisy, Stewart, Gove and even farther back with Blanchard, Gibson, Clarke, and Taylor who started the winning tradition at Plattsburgh? I can guarantee you they wouldn't have as much (if any) hardware. Those "said" players probably would have gone elsewhere to another school offering a lower admission cost. Yes they do have some great American players, and need those great American players to be at the level they are, but it's also imperative to have the DEPTH of great players (both American and Canadian) to compete on the level they want to compete at. Your average D-III team is not going to be a power recruiting strictly from the American born pool. By allowing your candidate of potential players to expand, your ability to find grade A players (maybe not All American's but great role players) is much higher. An average team with 1 great player can put up good numbers, but normally does not become a Champion. An average team with depth and a great player wins championships. Yes a good coaching staff, unrelenting recruiting, and a strong winning tradition does help bring in those high caliber players. If there is a forward named Suzie from Laval Quebec wanting to come to your school, but your admission costs is twice as much as your American players are paying and you offer no help, why would she come if she can't afford it? Same thing for Tara and Nicole. Now you have to go out and replace Suzie, Tara and Nicole with a downgrade in talent Jennifer, Sam, and Michelle. You finish 6th in your league, again. Players like Sheeran and Meneghan wouldn't have come to Plattsburgh if they weren't a winning school.

I've said it once, I've said it a million times. Bob Emery is one of if not the best DIII hockey coaches of all time. When his hands were tied in recruiting (the loss of FA) over a 3 year period, his teams suffered clear as day. (3 of the bottom 6 winning % of all time in PSU history). We've seen the SAME exact stuff happen in both Men's and Women's hockey at the DIII level. (yes even some mighty NESCAC'ian schools have been affected). No not ALL schools need to rely on foreign players, all be it great Academic schools (most NESCAC), Boston rich schools, or Mid-West schools who can pull from local great Wisc, Minn, Mich players. Cortland, does not fit into those. Since Plattsburgh has had their FA packages reduced, but not gone, they've reached out to different parts of the US as well. Illinois, California, Florida, New Jersey. But the few and far between "stars" are normally picked up by DI teams or Top DIII teams so teams who are NOT a perennial power struggle to bring in recruits. On the men's side, the US Junior programs have grown tremendously over the past 20 years. It wasn't even close 20 years ago from the OPJHL and teams like the Apple Core or NJ Hitman. Plattsburgh lost of a lot of quality players to rival teams because they couldn't afford the bill and or the other school was offering a much lower admission cost. I can GUARANTEE Cortland has lost players as well because of it.

 

[CrossCheck]

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"There is zero...and I mean ZERO reason to spend US tax dollars on helping Canadian women D3 hockey payers get preferential admissions"

Money doesn't help anyone get preferential admissions no matter what country they come from, so stop being so ridiculous. For the most part there are financial aid programs that help all international students, not just Canadian D3 women's hockey players. Take off your blinders so you can see the whole picture. You're missing out on a lot of it by being so zeroed in on just one type of student out of so many different types. Your NESCAC is showing you snob.

another one who is a few nuts short of a fruitcake.

 

[Scott_TG]

Cortland announced Rick Filighera as the new HC

http://d3hockey.com/releases/women/2016-17/160926-filighera-hired-as-cortland-womens-coach

 

[shelfit]

Cortland announced Rick Filighera as the new HC

http://d3hockey.com/releases/women/2016-17/160926-filighera-hired-as-cortland-womens-coach

Last place for Cortland this year. Wow, they couldn't find someone with more recent college coaching experience? He's been out of it for over 10 years and when he was in the college coaching game it was when many programs were new and the quality of players was nowhere near as good as now. I feel bad for the players there that an old relic like this was hired. This is a step backwards from the previous coach which isn't saying much and proof once again that Cortland just doesn't care about hockey.

 

[bearcat]

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This is a step backwards from the previous coach which isn't saying much and proof once again that Cortland just doesn't care about hockey.[/QUOTE]

So what? Perhaps they have other areas to focus on...like academics? Beyond your basement, nobody cares.

 

[GTOWN]

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The frustration is that Cortland clearly can walk and chew gum when it comes to other sports.
If they're not really committed to hockey then maybe they need to review why they spend the time, effort and $$$'s to be a bottom third club. Putting a competitive program in place doesn't preclude having solid academics.