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Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
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Leopard_Balcony_Booster
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Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
I understand why on the surface those arguments are viable. BUT - they would then imply that NCAA hoops is hamstringing the final 4 teams, the fans who need to travel and event marketing by playing the following week - as they do. Which of course isn't true. They don't want to kill the momentum of the tourney and wnat to stay in tourney mode. (Is its a cliche to say players who rest during an allstar break have to knock off the rust the first few games back? We're talking 4-5 days in that situation. Well, the media is always the first to ask that question so why doesn't it apply here? Superbowl aside..different sport all together)
Back to the reasons echoed in whatever..5 threads is it? No offense "Victor Mature" but look closer and you'll see that those reasons are watercooler Bullsh**.
Travel - In 1985, we set up travel & lodging to Detroit on a few days notice for the finals from Troy, NY. These days, go to Orbitz/Priceline and book a cheap flight & discounted hotel (Detroit remember) in 10 minutes. If your school is near Detroit, they will be setting up buses (like mine did back in the stoneage) or people will simply road trip. As for time off...I think anyone would notify their respective obligations at the start of the tourney that weekend may be goner if your team makes it.
Rest - I bet everyone in that tourney (despite what they say on camera..you know, don't make the NCAA look bad) would take the 4 days rest and want to go right back and finish it just like hoops. I never hear basketball complain about the turn around time. Because there is nothing to complain about (and yes..more than just people affiliated with the schools go to that tourney).
I understand that the bottom line is that of course - like it or not - hockey is still the little brother in the panthenon of American College major sports (unfortunately including women's hoops) and that's the base of the argument for the NCAA to showcase it on it's own the following weekend. However, I still would bet that the extra week of coverage -at best- marginally draws in the non-hockey fan at the expense of the tourney losing steam. I'm just saying that ESPN could package (and market hockey on the coattails of hoops) something like an NCAA Championship weekend. 2 Games Friday (hockey), 2 games Sat. (mens hoops), 3 games Sunday (Men's finals and women's semis). Yes, I know, Sunday is the problem as baseball opens on Sunday night as well.
As my friend Redfreak says before he edits his post; I can savory the end of the season just fine in one week as I'm sure the players and coaches would rather do and everone will have time to get there and have there nap before the first game is played.
Not that I have a verbose opinion or anything.
The extra week is great. It gives the teams (some of whom played Sunday night) the time to prepare. It gives fans the opportunity to arrange travel. It gives us another week to talk hockey. You could use the opportunity to savory the finale of the hockey season, but you can't summon the restraint of a five year old.
Not that I have a strong opinion or anything.
I understand why on the surface those arguments are viable. BUT - they would then imply that NCAA hoops is hamstringing the final 4 teams, the fans who need to travel and event marketing by playing the following week - as they do. Which of course isn't true. They don't want to kill the momentum of the tourney and wnat to stay in tourney mode. (Is its a cliche to say players who rest during an allstar break have to knock off the rust the first few games back? We're talking 4-5 days in that situation. Well, the media is always the first to ask that question so why doesn't it apply here? Superbowl aside..different sport all together)
Back to the reasons echoed in whatever..5 threads is it? No offense "Victor Mature" but look closer and you'll see that those reasons are watercooler Bullsh**.
Travel - In 1985, we set up travel & lodging to Detroit on a few days notice for the finals from Troy, NY. These days, go to Orbitz/Priceline and book a cheap flight & discounted hotel (Detroit remember) in 10 minutes. If your school is near Detroit, they will be setting up buses (like mine did back in the stoneage) or people will simply road trip. As for time off...I think anyone would notify their respective obligations at the start of the tourney that weekend may be goner if your team makes it.
Rest - I bet everyone in that tourney (despite what they say on camera..you know, don't make the NCAA look bad) would take the 4 days rest and want to go right back and finish it just like hoops. I never hear basketball complain about the turn around time. Because there is nothing to complain about (and yes..more than just people affiliated with the schools go to that tourney).
I understand that the bottom line is that of course - like it or not - hockey is still the little brother in the panthenon of American College major sports (unfortunately including women's hoops) and that's the base of the argument for the NCAA to showcase it on it's own the following weekend. However, I still would bet that the extra week of coverage -at best- marginally draws in the non-hockey fan at the expense of the tourney losing steam. I'm just saying that ESPN could package (and market hockey on the coattails of hoops) something like an NCAA Championship weekend. 2 Games Friday (hockey), 2 games Sat. (mens hoops), 3 games Sunday (Men's finals and women's semis). Yes, I know, Sunday is the problem as baseball opens on Sunday night as well.
As my friend Redfreak says before he edits his post; I can savory the end of the season just fine in one week as I'm sure the players and coaches would rather do and everone will have time to get there and have there nap before the first game is played.
Not that I have a verbose opinion or anything.
candycanes99
HAVE SOME CLASS
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
Goalies stay hot by playing regularly, so 2 weeks without games usually does a pretty good job killing a streak. Still not guaranteed, but it killed BU's hot goaltending last year.
Goalies stay hot by playing regularly, so 2 weeks without games usually does a pretty good job killing a streak. Still not guaranteed, but it killed BU's hot goaltending last year.
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
In fairness, there are some points in Leopard's favor. Though the tone of thread title is totally uncalled for, the layoff is a touch longer than would be ideal. But the games are going to played on weekends, and the current format has many more advantages than the alternative.
Even worse, at a couple of our tournaments we had a signficant number of neutral fans out in the concourse, watching hoops on TV while our championship game was in progress.
It is better this way. I was in favor of the change from the start, and my opinion has only grown stronger over the years.
In fairness, there are some points in Leopard's favor. Though the tone of thread title is totally uncalled for, the layoff is a touch longer than would be ideal. But the games are going to played on weekends, and the current format has many more advantages than the alternative.
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
I'm glad you can upend your life on a moment's notice, but you are in the minority.
I hate it when I do that.
I'm glad you can upend your life on a moment's notice, but you are in the minority.
I hate it when I do that.
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
Of course, they're only coaches, so I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinion.
Of course, they're only coaches, so I wouldn't put too much stock in their opinion.
Leopard_Balcony_Booster
Registered User
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
Ok fair enough. I get caught up that sometimes the NCAA seemingly cannot walk and chew gum at the same time...but hey, let he who has not *** up, throw the first stone right?
As for the coaches, I still say that behind closed doors they would want to play the very next weekend and are playing the NCAA PR nice game. Heck, they've been prepping and practicing all season, have scouts looking at the other squads and as competetors, would want to go right at it. I'm speaking as a player here. I'd absolutely hate the layoff. Fans are a different animal and oh yes, if I were a fan, I'd mark that weekend as a potential unavailable for me (we're only talking Friday btw) the minute my team won it's league or got a bid so as to avoid any "life altering upheavals in my schedule".
But honestly, as a hockey fan, I think that hockey as a sport would get more of a lift in the national eye (non or marginal hockey fans) if, DONE RIGHT, it drafted in the hoop tourney's wake on the same weekend and was folded into the marketing with hoops (ie. it was part of all the advertising slots, etc.)Much more so than relegating it to the next week. Women's hoops (which I assume is more popular than hockey ratings-wise) would still retain its normal following if IT were moved to the next week. But of course that won't happen since I presume the prime exposure is on the men's weekend and they don't want to give that up. So...oh well.
Enjoy the rest of the tourney!
Ok fair enough. I get caught up that sometimes the NCAA seemingly cannot walk and chew gum at the same time...but hey, let he who has not *** up, throw the first stone right?
As for the coaches, I still say that behind closed doors they would want to play the very next weekend and are playing the NCAA PR nice game. Heck, they've been prepping and practicing all season, have scouts looking at the other squads and as competetors, would want to go right at it. I'm speaking as a player here. I'd absolutely hate the layoff. Fans are a different animal and oh yes, if I were a fan, I'd mark that weekend as a potential unavailable for me (we're only talking Friday btw) the minute my team won it's league or got a bid so as to avoid any "life altering upheavals in my schedule".
But honestly, as a hockey fan, I think that hockey as a sport would get more of a lift in the national eye (non or marginal hockey fans) if, DONE RIGHT, it drafted in the hoop tourney's wake on the same weekend and was folded into the marketing with hoops (ie. it was part of all the advertising slots, etc.)Much more so than relegating it to the next week. Women's hoops (which I assume is more popular than hockey ratings-wise) would still retain its normal following if IT were moved to the next week. But of course that won't happen since I presume the prime exposure is on the men's weekend and they don't want to give that up. So...oh well.
Enjoy the rest of the tourney!
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
With respect, what's your evidence they feel differently than they say? I take them at their word because a) I've got no evidence not to, and b) what York says ("York pointed out that before they made the change, you'd get back on Sunday (often very late) and have to be at the site of the tournament on Tuesday which was very short.") makes sense. It is a very short period.
Players may very well want to get right at it, but players don't run the team and there's a reason for that. The well coached teams will put the time to good use.
You too! I'm even going to enjoy the layover weekend. The thought my team is still in it is a good feeling.
With respect, what's your evidence they feel differently than they say? I take them at their word because a) I've got no evidence not to, and b) what York says ("York pointed out that before they made the change, you'd get back on Sunday (often very late) and have to be at the site of the tournament on Tuesday which was very short.") makes sense. It is a very short period.
Players may very well want to get right at it, but players don't run the team and there's a reason for that. The well coached teams will put the time to good use.
You too! I'm even going to enjoy the layover weekend. The thought my team is still in it is a good feeling.
Leopard_Balcony_Booster
Registered User
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
No hard evidence but talk to any sportswriter and they'll tell you in alot of cases, coaches don't tell the actual truth for PR reasons. ie. Terry Francona's propagandaizing (word?) for Manny Ramierez over the years...he must have hated biting his tongue for that dim-wit on several occassions.
Good luck!
MikeAnderson
Heavyweight Champion of My House
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
I pick none of the above.
The only change I would advocate, if any, would be to contract the regular season by one week, bump up regionals by one week (same time as opening weekend for basketball) and do the Frozen Four the following weekend.
I pick none of the above.
The only change I would advocate, if any, would be to contract the regular season by one week, bump up regionals by one week (same time as opening weekend for basketball) and do the Frozen Four the following weekend.
Bruce Ciskie
Registered Non-User
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
This is fair, but you're comparing apples and sportscars.
Francona placating a member of the team he's paid to win games with is a whole lot different than college hockey coaches biting their tongue on a one-week layoff.
Not only that, but each coach was given a chance to tactfully rip the system, and they (especially Blasi and York) went out of their way to praise it and defend it.
Trust me. These coaches weren't playing PR games. Coaches don't go out of their way to say stuff they don't mean.
(In addition, Blasi talked about how his players had all their ticket requests dealt with and all the team's travel plans were made between Monday and Tuesday, and practice wasn't scheduled to resume until today, so he really liked how all the off-ice stuff was taken care of before the team resumed practice.
Oh, and just think about the schedule a team like Miami has kept lately. They had a three-game playoff series, then a trip to Detroit for the CCHA finals, and a trip to Fort Wayne for a regional. They got back Monday morning at 4:30. You think their players would have just been able to snap the fingers and be ready to go to Detroit Tuesday afternoon? That's crazy.)
This is fair, but you're comparing apples and sportscars.
Francona placating a member of the team he's paid to win games with is a whole lot different than college hockey coaches biting their tongue on a one-week layoff.
Not only that, but each coach was given a chance to tactfully rip the system, and they (especially Blasi and York) went out of their way to praise it and defend it.
Trust me. These coaches weren't playing PR games. Coaches don't go out of their way to say stuff they don't mean.
(In addition, Blasi talked about how his players had all their ticket requests dealt with and all the team's travel plans were made between Monday and Tuesday, and practice wasn't scheduled to resume until today, so he really liked how all the off-ice stuff was taken care of before the team resumed practice.
Oh, and just think about the schedule a team like Miami has kept lately. They had a three-game playoff series, then a trip to Detroit for the CCHA finals, and a trip to Fort Wayne for a regional. They got back Monday morning at 4:30. You think their players would have just been able to snap the fingers and be ready to go to Detroit Tuesday afternoon? That's crazy.)
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I'm sure that's true, but it does not follow that every time they say something they believe the opposite.
I'm sure that's true, but it does not follow that every time they say something they believe the opposite.
Leopard_Balcony_Booster
Registered User
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
Agreed.
btw. MikeAnderson has the best approach...I should have led off with that.
Agreed.
btw. MikeAnderson has the best approach...I should have led off with that.
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
Hey now. I said there were points in your favor. You just saw fit to edit that part out. I gave you a carrot along with the stick.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
I just posted this elsewhere but I'll repeat it here. I think the off week should be between the conference tournaments and the regionals instead of the regionals and frozen four. The Frozen Four has sold out how many years in a row in NHL arenas so most of the people going, have already made plans for hotels and travel way before the teams are decided. The regional attendance might get a boost if there was more time for fans to make those plans and get there because the majority of regional attendance is by the fans of the teams involved.
I just posted this elsewhere but I'll repeat it here. I think the off week should be between the conference tournaments and the regionals instead of the regionals and frozen four. The Frozen Four has sold out how many years in a row in NHL arenas so most of the people going, have already made plans for hotels and travel way before the teams are decided. The regional attendance might get a boost if there was more time for fans to make those plans and get there because the majority of regional attendance is by the fans of the teams involved.
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
I agree.
In addition to this argument, There is also a case to be made that fans of a given school have to decide between bouncyball and hockey in the regionals (Cornell this year). By having the Hockey regionals the same weekend as the final four instead of the sweet 16, the chances of this happening drop by 75%
I agree.
In addition to this argument, There is also a case to be made that fans of a given school have to decide between bouncyball and hockey in the regionals (Cornell this year). By having the Hockey regionals the same weekend as the final four instead of the sweet 16, the chances of this happening drop by 75%
nudgy_olsen
New member
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
Hmm... Yes I'd call your thread stupid and moronic... the dumb is just getting redundant.
Hmm... Yes I'd call your thread stupid and moronic... the dumb is just getting redundant.
nudgy_olsen
New member
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
You're wrong. I played division I hockey, a 4 day rest is not a lot, especially when there is significant and lengthy travel involved. A bye week in the season is a very much appreciated thing in terms of getting back on track, having a rested final 4 is much more valuable than 4 teams tired and exhausted. When the sioux came out exhausted against Yale it was not surprising at all to me. You saw the result of a decent team with 2 weeks rest vs. the hottest team in the country playing its 7th game in only 14 days. You always have to travel a full day early in the morning before, and with these NCAA tourneys even several days ahead of the scheduled games. So calling 4 days of rest is a pretty big joke, said well by someone who has no clue.
Keep the teams rested!
You're wrong. I played division I hockey, a 4 day rest is not a lot, especially when there is significant and lengthy travel involved. A bye week in the season is a very much appreciated thing in terms of getting back on track, having a rested final 4 is much more valuable than 4 teams tired and exhausted. When the sioux came out exhausted against Yale it was not surprising at all to me. You saw the result of a decent team with 2 weeks rest vs. the hottest team in the country playing its 7th game in only 14 days. You always have to travel a full day early in the morning before, and with these NCAA tourneys even several days ahead of the scheduled games. So calling 4 days of rest is a pretty big joke, said well by someone who has no clue.
Keep the teams rested!
Choose Death
New member
Re: Stupid, dumb, moronic...take your pick
You're correct about that and it sucks that that sport is so high up on the scales.
And while it does give teams a chance to recuperate it also kills any fire a team might have.
You're correct about that and it sucks that that sport is so high up on the scales.
And while it does give teams a chance to recuperate it also kills any fire a team might have.