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Strands in the Tapestry: the Business, Economics, and Tax Policy Thread

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Quakers have to pay for the military. So cry me a river if the Catholic Church has to pay for birth control.

Straw man alert! It's not so much the birth "control" as it is the abortifacients. to them it's infanticide. even if you don't agree, can't you respect their right to believe it in good faith?
 
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Straw man alert! It's not so much the birth "control" as it is the abortifacients. to them it's infanticide. even if you don't agree, can't you respect their right to believe it in good faith?

Dude, I'm Catholic. The Roman Catholic Church says the use of any birth control is a sin. It goes beyond abortion to things like condoms and the pill. (never mind that 98% of Catholic women in the U.S. will use birth control of one form or another in their lives). My wife had to go to planned parenthood in law school to get her birth control because Creighton wouldn't provide it or cover it under its student health plan.

So no, it's not a strawman, it's the truth.

And why are Quaker values less worthy of being respected in good faith than Catholic ones? Why is it ok for them to pay for the military, but god forbid a Catholic pay for a protestant's birth control?
 
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Quakers have to pay for the military. So cry me a river if the Catholic Church has to pay for birth control.

So, you are equating 'birth control' and 'national defense' as equivalent somehow? I'm looking forward to this one. Please, go ahead, explain to me what the two situations have in common.
 
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So, you are equating 'birth control' and 'national defense' as equivalent somehow? I'm looking forward to this one. Please, go ahead, explain to me what the two situations have in common.

Nice dodge and evade when you realized you were completely wrong about Catholicism and birth control. :rolleyes:

The point is some good faith religious beliefs are apparently more worthy of respect than others. Quakers are pacifists. Going to war violates their religious beliefs. Yet we still force them to contribute to our military financially, even though we don't require them to serve.

Using birth control violates Catholic tenents. The ACA merely requires them to pay for it for those of other religions who use it. No one is requiring a good Catholic to actually use it, just as we don't require Quakers to serve in the military. Their sole argument against this is that paying for others', however indirectly, violates their religious freedom somehow.

So for the third time, why is requiring Quakers to pay for the military not a violation of their religious rights, but requiring Catholics to pay for condoms is a violation of theirs?
 
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Are we no longer allowed to talk presidential politics? I see that the thread is deleted.
 
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Are we no longer allowed to talk presidential politics? I see that the thread is deleted.

Who ever created the thread deleted the original post, which deletes the thread.
 
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Somebody must have said something mean, it appears, and board read it for a change.


Well, OP is suspended, but not sure why that would make the thread be deleted.
 
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I think Kepler took the moderator job for the sole reason of trying to get rid of Old Pio once and for all. :( He was great entertainment.
 
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I think Kepler took the moderator job for the sole reason of trying to get rid of Old Pio once and for all. :( He was great entertainment.


Kepler is the Mod!?!

Now you guys can claim liberal bias!

I believe OP is suspended, not banned.
 
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Now THIS is something I'd like to do if I ever won the Powerball lottery or something like that.

Some of the best entrepreneurial talent we have in this country is doing exactly what we'd expect entrepreneurs to do: look for a market opportunity and then exploit it. Drug dealers and gang leaders display the ingenuity and talent that we need in business: if we could recruit them away from their current occupations and into legitimate business, we'd tap into a very powerful creative force.

The linked article is about a person named Martin Goldsmith, who in 2004 started an organization called Get Out and Stay Out for prison inmates.

‘What does General Motors have in common with a drug cartel?”

When Mark Goldsmith posed this question to a group of inmates at Rikers Island, he meant no disrespect to the car company. He was trying to figure out a way to get the attention of his audience and show them “how they could possibly get a job in the real economy.”

There are people in both legitimate companies and criminal enterprises who do the books, people who are in sales and so on. But, as Goldsmith, a former cosmetics-industry executive, explains, “no one had ever mentioned this idea to [the inmates]. The self-worth is not there. They don’t recognize how smart they are.”

Goldsmith recounted this story to an audience last week as he accepted the Manhattan Institute’s Social Entrepreneurship award for nonprofit leaders “who have founded innovative, private organizations to help address some of America’s most pressing problems.”

Goldsmith’s first visit to Rikers was in 2003, when he went to the Horizon Academy — the jail’s high school. He volunteered for New York City’s “Principal for a Day” program and told the organizers to send him somewhere with “tough” kids. Boy, did he get his wish.

By all accounts, Goldsmith’s lecture was a success, and he was asked to return the following year. By then he had started to learn more about one of the most intractable problems of America’s inner cities — the recidivism rate.

Some 700,000 prison inmates are released into society each year and more than 40 percent end up behind bars again within three years. The rate is as high as 67 percent for men 18 to 24.

The biggest reason, according to Ingrid Johnson, who’s worked with returning inmates and is on loan at the Manhattan Institute, is “barriers people returning home from prison face in achieving employment.”


That's where Goldsmith and his program come in. He recruits for talent in prisons and helps them find "legitimate" work.
 
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Is there any government these days that understands the concept of "limited resources" and how not to immediately go on a spending spree?
 
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Is there any government these days that understands the concept of "limited resources" and how not to immediately go on a spending spree?
Sweden. The Czech Republic. Both of those nations have successfully implemented austerity measures. Both of those nations had strong GDP growth last year, unlike most of Europe.
 
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Sweden. The Czech Republic. Both of those nations have successfully implemented austerity measures. Both of those nations had strong GDP growth last year, unlike most of Europe.

The Czech Republic was also denied entry to the European Union after a couple of tries. Good thing they didn't get in, I guess.
 
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There are several countries, Sweden among them, that are pushing for a reduction in the EU budget. This is not getting a warm reception from the countries that are net receivers of funds, such as Italy. The "bad guys" say they want reforms to fees and to expenses around administration, and believe me if you think we have a bloated govt, you ought to see the EU. Even that is likely not to happen. Gb might very well pull out eventually, as might Sweden.
The money Sweden donates to the EU is under scrutiny because all budget items there are being cut.( and it is a socialist country BTW)

I want to address a tax question also. We are worried about the so called fiscal cliff right. But since the cliff really represents a closing of the budget gap, which if you are fiscally conservative you are theoretically for, why are all tea partiers and right wing types so against it. Didn't they agree to the process months ago.? I know it might drag us into recession, but hasn't the tea party been campaigning for this type of thing for months?

I'm all for a compromise, but I don't understand the tea party platform I guess.
 
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There are several countries, Sweden among them, that are pushing for a reduction in the EU budget. This is not getting a warm reception from the countries that are net receivers of funds, such as Italy. The "bad guys" say they want reforms to fees and to expenses around administration, and believe me if you think we have a bloated govt, you ought to see the EU. Even that is likely not to happen. Gb might very well pull out eventually, as might Sweden.
The money Sweden donates to the EU is under scrutiny because all budget items there are being cut.( and it is a socialist country BTW)

I want to address a tax question also. We are worried about the so called fiscal cliff right. But since the cliff really represents a closing of the budget gap, which if you are fiscally conservative you are theoretically for, why are all tea partiers and right wing types so against it. Didn't they agree to the process months ago.? I know it might drag us into recession, but hasn't the tea party been campaigning for this type of thing for months?

I'm all for a compromise, but I don't understand the tea party platform I guess.

The GOP interpretation of the tea party (which you'll see commonly referenced in the political threads) is nothing but lipstick on the G-O-Pig. They believe that with taxes higher, we will be doomed to further recession as the aggregate amount of money going into the system will be decreased, and that with all of the other things such as removal of qualified dividends, heightened cap gains, and the like, people won't invest.

Personally, I don't like the idea of raising taxes when there's still plenty of bloated spending left to cut. However, if it takes Taxmageddon to get the spending cuts, I'm all for it. It'd be like instituting a $500 limit on spending for a trip, but you see something that costs $550 that you feel at the time you really need, and so you decide to up your limit just so you can get that thing. Unfortunately, there's not really much of a way to have a truly independent third party auditor. Sure, the credit agencies could have their treasury ratings, but they could still be subject to government insolvency, much like General Motors.

This might seem weird, but I would love to put the game Sim City in front of Congress and the President, tell them to use the exact same policies they would for the country that they are now, and see how they do...
 
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