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St.Thomas new arena on hold!

Don't worry, they're still working on it and UST are appealing the ruling.

Story from today: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/...-of-st-thomas/

UST statement: https://news.stthomas.edu/university...nderson-arena/

for context: the 5400 capacity figure is only for basketball. Hockey is approximately 4000, IIRC.

Now as it happens the "spokesman" for the neighborhood group who cites total car tailpipe emissions as a reason to not build the arena doesn't seem to understand that there are more of them when a bunch of ne'er-do-wells from Minneapolis (and UST students in St. Paul) all have to drive to a third ring suburb to watch a game vs. taking the light rail and a UST shuttle bus from the light rail station. I'm sure he's doing this in completely good faith and it's a simple misunderstanding on his part.

That said, his address is also in the phone book. And I would hate for anyone with a car louder than my compact (if a little noisy) Subaru to perturb his household, so I'll do him a favor and make sure to park in front of his house when I come over for a game. He can even come and sit with me, if he wants.
 
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StPaulSam said:
Don't worry, they're still working on it and UST are appealing the ruling.
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Thanks! I was hoping someone with a rational intellect would fill in the gaps. I had a feeling it was something like you described.
I'll bet that spokesperson is one of those high minded intellects who believes cow farts cause greenhouse gas too! LOL! And that judge is an idiot too!
I know a guy with a big dually turbo diesel pickup with one of those stack exhausts set up to belch massive clouds of black smoke. That's what's needed to park in front of that guys house and redline it. :p​​​​​
 
Tree hugging commie judges. What a joke. Move to North Korea if you are obsessed with a low human emissions.
 
The plan is to not offer any parking, fans/teams will park at one of the 500+ million dollar metro transit bus/light rail projects in the suburb that no one rides. No worries, there will be plenty of room besides a few free loaders, more room is made when the bus patrol is at the next stop. Somehow the free loaders always know, LOL. If using light rail, you'll have to use electric bikes and scooters in the middle of winter to continue your journey to the rink. While you're watching they'll have them charged up with the endless supply of energy we have that magically appears, thus no emissions problem.
 
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Never been to St.Thomas or seen where they want to build it to know the parking situation but around Michigan's Yost ice arena the students in the nearby houses fill their driveways for twenty five bucks a car to park and boy do they clean up.
 
Having read the whole opinion because of my unflinching masochism, seems like a lot of this is really about the process the city of Saint Paul used. They're probably lucky they don't have to do a full environmental impact study instead of the environmental assessment worksheet based on Minnesota's laws about "phased actions." That is to say, because they are building a new academic building in the same area as the arena, they are for purposes of the impact assessment part of related projects and thus need to be considered together. The court isn't requiring the full EIS though, so that's something positive for UST.

That all said, once UST/Saint Paul produce a revised EAW, the next step for the NIMBYs will be to demand UST/Saint Paul produce a full EIS. I don't know Minnesota planning law well enough to make a judgement on whether that might happen.

Of course, UST could potentially remove 401 seats from the design on paper, refile for an arena that is 4,999 seats and thus doesn't require an EIS or EAW, then "renovate" the arena to add those seats back. But the boat for being sneaky like that already left the dock.

Hockeybuckeye said:
Never been to St.Thomas or seen where they want to build it to know the parking situation but around Michigan's Yost ice arena the students in the nearby houses fill their driveways for twenty five bucks a car to park and boy do they clean up.
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LOL, the people in the neighborhood around St. Thomas, who were shocked shocked to learn they live near a University with 9k students that plays D1 sports, probably pay on average per month on landscaping as much as I pay for my entire condo. The person in the KSTP story's house last sold for about $1,000,000.
 
No idea if she has anything to do with any of this, but my niece is the budget director for Ramsey County, since 2021. Formerly an assistant budget director for the city of St Paul.
 
StPaulSam said:
LOL, the people in the neighborhood around St. Thomas, who were shocked shocked to learn they live near a University with 9k students that plays D1 sports, probably pay on average per month on landscaping as much as I pay for my entire condo. The person in the KSTP story's house last sold for about $1,000,000.
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I see similar things here where we get nearby residents complaining about noise from OSU's private airport which was built in the middle of nowhere in 1942 and was there 50 years before neighborhoods went up around it.

I can see some of the need for an environment impact study if you're going to build a factory in an undeveloped area but one for an arena in town that has existing structures serves no real purpose.
 
JDHack51 said:
The plan is to not offer any parking, fans/teams will park at one of the 500+ million dollar metro transit bus/light rail projects in the suburb that no one rides. No worries, there will be plenty of room besides a few free loaders, more room is made when the bus patrol is at the next stop. Somehow the free loaders always know, LOL. If using light rail, you'll have to use electric bikes and scooters in the middle of winter to continue your journey to the rink. While you're watching they'll have them charged up with the endless supply of energy we have that magically appears, thus no emissions problem.
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not to mention you might not make it off the bus/light rail with your life or wallet

they will NEVER get a rink in saint paul. anyone that lives in the area knows this. Their best bet is getting into TRIA rink and expanding it.
 
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bobthomasiselite said:
not to mention you might not make it off the bus/light rail with your life or wallet

they will NEVER get a rink in saint paul. anyone that lives in the area knows this. Their best bet is getting into TRIA rink and expanding it.
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Hey, maybe consider creating a parking reservation plan for fans and teams to minimize chaos? The metro option sounds good, but bikes and scooters in winter could be an issue. Maybe shuttle buses to the rink?

Additionally, check if there are other nearby places that could be converted into parking lots. It will make things easier for everyone.

Greetings, Andrew :-)
 
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Basically the Minnesota Supreme Court declined to hear St.Thomas's appeal of the environmental impact study ruling keeping the arena situation in FUBAR. :mad:
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Sounds like the Minneapolis folks are more liberal than the Madison folks in regards to saving the planet vs human quality of life. The folks in Madison want to redo the whole north shoreline on lake Monona to make it more accessible and attractive to people but I am concerned about the impact it will have on the fishery. Of course they did elect a wrestler to be their Governor there's a leader there who is a self proclaimed knucklehead, so it's not shocking. They were the only state to vote for Walter Mondale as well.
 
Hockeybuckeye said:
Basically the Minnesota Supreme Court declined to hear St.Thomas's appeal of the environmental impact study ruling keeping the arena situation in FUBAR. :mad:
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The ruling is primarily procedural, dealing not at all with the substantive arguments about whether arena construction is appropriate in this urban environment.

The ruling says you have to get all of your procedural ducks in a row before you can do this project.

The neighbors plan to now plunge into the substantive with a request for injunctive relief to halt construction.
 
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