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St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

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SluStatsMan said:
hockeyplayer1015, you're inside my head!

About a monkey-coachable season next year, though, I will say that I'm prepared for difficulties up front early in the season, as we're going to need several freshman forwards to come out of the gates at full gallop after the loss of several regulars.
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This is my impression also Statman. This team is build around defense first and winning/controlling the puck between the dots. Last year the team won with solid defense, however, I saw what I considered a better defensive team the year prior to last. I don't know if the stats show this to be true? Would not be surprised if Mark tries to attract offensive skilled defense-men and skates three with two natural forwards. Carvey installed a system that some would say is more pro style when in fact it is a trap and finish system meet to keep the other team to the outside of the dots. He spent a lot off time motivating the players to believe in and teaching this system. This team is fun to watch when they are exacting this system. Looking forward to attending all of the home games again this coming season along with a few road trips.
 
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SluStatsMan said:
hockeyplayer1015, you're inside my head!

About a monkey-coachable season next year, though, I will say that I'm prepared for difficulties up front early in the season, as we're going to need several freshman forwards to come out of the gates at full gallop after the loss of several regulars.
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And that's certainly a very fair point. Losing our top 3 centers is going to be rough, but it may not be as bad as it seems.

Doing some looking back at line sheets from this past season, Laidley, Ederer, Dahl and primarily Lough played atleast a game at center. We have, according to Heisenberg's recruit page, 7 forwards coming in next year, including 5 USHL guys. Historically, as I imagine you're aware, some (most?) USHL guys are able to come in and atleast tread water early in the season, occasionally they even make an impact. Conger is listed as a center, according to Heisenberg, the rest are wingers. We also have 2 D and a G listed as well (all USHL). Just adding up returning players and supposedly incoming players, we will have 18 F (including Patrick Steinhauser, who I believe is a walk-on), 10 D and 3 G.

Obviously, I'm not Mark Morris, and we have zero idea how he may utilize our roster, but I suppose I'm more concerned about learning/executing new system(s) for early next season than I am from a personnel standpoint.
 
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vicb said:
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/...es-former-rival-morris-as-head-coach-20160504
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I love the part in there about how he has remained close friends with former coach Joe Marsh ...

"He also helped influence Morris's decision to return to college hockey." "Mark is a great friend and a great fit for St. Lawrence. The years ahead look bright, Marsh said in a release."

Do people really hear the former coach that we all admire so much, think he has/had no say in the selection, then read this article and still think that Mark Morris is the wrong choice? Well, I sure hope not! :eek: ... I'm really excited for this coming year and the future ahead. Things are looking up, that is for sure! :)
 
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Also, the article vicb posted mentions how he had the support of the current Clarkson President Tony Collins. Hmmmmmm, well isn't that interesting! ;)
 
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Coach Marsh wasn't on the actual committee but did have meetings with President Fox, Bob Durocher and almost every member of the hiring committee. If you think for a second that Coach Marsh didn't have a say or didn't influence this hire you are out of your mind.

It's a done deal, welcome Coach Morris and I look forward to this coming season!
 
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I hope that a year from now you can all say "Greg who?". While there may be some "baggage" here, the man obviously knows hockey and can hopefully keep the program moving forward.

Got 6 said:
I'd rather have Pecknold. Yes, I said it.;)
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I had to quote this for posterity. That's one thing I was sure I'd never hear from G6! :D
 
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tupsaint said:
This is my impression also Statman. This team is build around defense first and winning/controlling the puck between the dots. Last year the team won with solid defense, however, I saw what I considered a better defensive team the year prior to last. I don't know if the stats show this to be true?
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I hold the same opinion that the previous year's team was a better defensive team overall, though not by much. This past year, I think they did cut way down on the previous year's epidemic of turnovers for breakaways, but the team defense felt slightly weaker.

And yes, the stats do bear that out, though only slightly, showing a small decline in effectiveness this past year:

2014-2015 per-game defensive stats:
- Goals: 2.03
- Shots: 31.3
- Shooting percentage: 6.47%

2015-2016 per-game defensive stats:
- Goals: 2.27
- Shots: 32.6
- Shooting percentage: 6.97%

After that flood of shooting-gallery games early in the '14-'15 season, it's hard to believe that they actually gave up more shots this past season, but it's true.
 
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hockeyplayer1015 said:
And that's certainly a very fair point. Losing our top 3 centers is going to be rough, but it may not be as bad as it seems.

Doing some looking back at line sheets from this past season, Laidley, Ederer, Dahl and primarily Lough played atleast a game at center. We have, according to Heisenberg's recruit page, 7 forwards coming in next year, including 5 USHL guys. Historically, as I imagine you're aware, some (most?) USHL guys are able to come in and atleast tread water early in the season, occasionally they even make an impact. Conger is listed as a center, according to Heisenberg, the rest are wingers. We also have 2 D and a G listed as well (all USHL). Just adding up returning players and supposedly incoming players, we will have 18 F (including Patrick Steinhauser, who I believe is a walk-on), 10 D and 3 G.

Obviously, I'm not Mark Morris, and we have zero idea how he may utilize our roster, but I suppose I'm more concerned about learning/executing new system(s) for early next season than I am from a personnel standpoint.
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And that's a fair point too. I think the system and personnel issues dovetail with each other to some extent -- if Carvy was still there and maintaining the same systems next year, the current players would be better able to help in bringing the new guys along. I hope Mark Morris is crafty enough to chart an easy course from Carvy's systems to his.

But even though a lot of freshmen are able to come in and contribute right away as you say, dropping that much experience and development can have a big impact. If Conger and Corriveau show up and are as good as they're rumored to be, that'll help a lot -- two late-season Pritchards in October would be nice!

Not sure where you get 18 forwards -- I get 17 (10 returning). As for the situation at center, College Hockey Inc lists four of the new forwards as centers: Carson Gicewicz, Kauppila, Harrison, and Slaker. It lists Conger as RW. I have no idea how reliable that is. Plus, the forward positions are so much more fluid these days. One thing's for sure -- we're going to need some guys who are good in the circle. I like Lough, but an accomplished draw man he is not.
 
SluStatsMan said:
Not sure where you get 18 forwards -- I get 17 (10 returning). As for the situation at center, College Hockey Inc lists four of the new forwards as centers: Carson Gicewicz, Kauppila, Harrison, and Slaker. It lists Conger as RW. I have no idea how reliable that is. Plus, the forward positions are so much more fluid these days. One thing's for sure -- we're going to need some guys who are good in the circle. I like Lough, but an accomplished draw man he is not.
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Probably because I looked by class instead of names and included Horn :rolleyes: Heh.

Hard to really tell what the recruits natural positions are unless we were to go to their team sites and maybe they'd be listed. Funny how 3 different sources give 3 different position information.
 
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LTsatch said:
Why not Allain? ;)
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Yeah, I'd much rather have him. I've never had anything against Allain's coaching abilities, just that he seems a bit arrogant and maybe lacking in sportsmanship. I generally like the way Yale teams play. And, since I have family members who played both there and Harvard, I may be following them more closely. That, and I detest how Tim Taylor was treated.
 
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Got 6 said:
Yeah, I'd much rather have him. I've never had anything against Allain's coaching abilities, just that he seems a bit arrogant and maybe lacking in sportsmanship. I generally like the way Yale teams play. And, since I have family members who played both there and Harvard, I may be following them more closely. That, and I detest how Tim Taylor was treated.
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The Taylor move was a tough one, he had clearly achieved all that he would at Yale IMO. You can see the same thing happening with Berenson, although they are allowing him to leave it seems on his own terms, which is the difference. Had Yale not so subtly nudged Taylor out the door, who would have known what would have happened to the program. The fact that the first person that Allain called after the NC was Taylor says a lot about Allain and his character. I believe his reputation is mellowing somewhat (at least with the refs) and there haven't been too many recent problems that I can recall. Good luck with the new Coach, it seems he has proven that he too can also mellow with age.
 
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LTsatch said:
The Taylor move was a tough one, he had clearly achieved all that he would at Yale IMO. You can see the same thing happening with Berenson, although they are allowing him to leave it seems on his own terms, which is the difference. Had Yale not so subtly nudged Taylor out the door, who would have known what would have happened to the program. The fact that the first person that Allain called after the NC was Taylor says a lot about Allain and his character. I believe his reputation is mellowing somewhat (at least with the refs) and there haven't been too many recent problems that I can recall. Good luck with the new Coach, it seems he has proven that he too can also mellow with age.
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Yale's overall record is 1236-1227-132. Keith Allain's record is 192-124-33.

LT, I remembered hearing about that call to Tim Taylor. It seems to me that was one of Keith Allain's best moments.
 
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Got 6 said:
Mark Morris is not our top candidate. Not by a mile. That is a fact.
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And as was so famously stated by Roseanne Roseannadanna............"NEVER MIND"!
 
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I love how connected SLU and Colgate are...........our beloved coaches, Terry Slater and Don Vaughan, both graduates and DV once an asst. at SLU and now our alumnus Mark Morris at the helm. Mark is a good guy. Your program will be fine.....and one to look out for going forward. Congrats on a great hire!
 
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maineiac said:
And as was so famously stated by Roseanne Roseannadanna............"NEVER MIND"!
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With regard to the quote you are referring to from Got 6......the mistake you are making Maineiac is your interpretation of "our." In this case the "our" was many of the posters and Got 6 (certainly not all) on this thread. The "our" was not SLU, it's AD nor the Search Committee. Many of us still feel Morris was not the best candidate. However, what our suspicions were during the hiring process......are now proving to be confirmed by Morris's quotes in the Watertown Times article and elsewhere. A "national search" was supposed to be conducted to find the best coach possible to replace Carvel. What is clear now is that Durocher wanted Morris all along, and in fact called Carolina almost immediately to "ask permission" to talk to Morris and was given that permission. I have no doubt that Durocher and Morris were talking before that, and that Morris all along was Durocher's guy. Everything that happened after that initial permission.... including the so called "Search Committee" was nothing more than window dressing and a sham to make it look "official" and above board when in fact it was anything but. The only unknown to me is how Durocher (my guess is that President Fox was involved) got him through the HR approval process?

How much of a search was really conducted? Search implies "seeking candidates and letting candidates apply." The first thing Durocher did was contact "his guy" Morris. There was likely no real "national search" for the best candidate. There was just enough done to give it the appearance of legitimacy.
 
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Which assistant was the primary recruiter under Carvel? Think it will change under Morris?
 
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