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St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Chris Heisenberg's list only shows 2 signings for NLI unless that list in not fully up to date yet. It's really not surprising when there is a coaching change for recruits to de-commit. It happens everywhere in the NCAA.

A few days ago, I dug around the web for evidence of which recruits signed NLIs for next year. I found such evidence for:
- Ryan Wischow, G
- Jake McLaughlin, D
- Taggart Corriveau, F
- Carson Gicewicz, F
- Bailey Conger, F
- Sam Kauppila, F
- Jake Slaker, F

In addition, Ryan Garvey (F), captain of the Oakville Blades, announced his commitment to come in next fall, and given that he made that announcement last Wednesday, after the Carvel news had broken, I'm guessing he's pretty firm. Others who have been listed as recruits for next year include Dylan Woolf (D), Garret Cecere (D, transfer from Colorado College), and Will Harrison (F).

I'm certainly worried about the younger kids, especially Marc McLaughlin, since people seem to be pretty nuts over him. I wouldn't necessarily expect them to wander off right away -- they've got time to see who the next coach is before they make any decisions -- but I sure won't be surprised if a good number of them try to go elsewhere.

I don't know where the "losing three recruits" story came from, but I wonder if it was this blog post, which lists three recruits but doesn't actually say anything definitive:
https://hockeyrecruits4u.wordpress.com/2016/04/02/try-to-follow/
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Echoing what Ivan said, SLU just isn't the kind of school that's going to commit the resources necessary to be another BC, North Dakota, etc. That's just reality.

And even if the administration were to give the program as much money as any coach could want, SLU's recruit pool would still be inherently limited due to other factors that no one can change, such as location and population. Kids who want the limelight (big crowds, lots of TV) and a very active pipeline to the NHL aren't going to be interested. Kids who like the staff, the atmosphere, and an opportunity to develop are going to be interested. That pool of kids is still enough for SLU to do well. I don't think the Saints can be a permanent NCAA tournament fixture like the big boys, but I think they can still have the kind of success they've had in the past.

As Tim touched on, we've had coaches who worked well in SLU's niche for decades, from Mike McShane to Joe Marsh to Greg Carvel. And if SLU can pick another coach who can work well in that environment, I think the team can continue to do well and can get better. Greg certainly seemed to be the perfect fit -- Canton native, very smart student, alum/captain, experienced NHL assistant, and talented, driven coach -- all of which helps explain why we're so devastated. But he's certainly not the only person who can be successful at SLU. I was very disappointed when Mike McShane left after resurrecting the program. Little did I know what his successor was going to accomplish. Same thing could happen again.

As for Greg's comments about SLU being a small-resource school... Yes, I agree that it was undiplomatic. But it's the truth, relatively speaking at least. And it's the reality that SLU's next coach is going to have to work within. Our path is to be the little engine that could.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

+ 1 for this summary. What I have been thinking but have been unable to state in so clear a fashion. Thanks, StatsMan!
 
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The recruits were coming in this coming year. I can only assume you are permitted to break an NLI if there is a coaching change?
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

The recruits were coming in this coming year. I can only assume you are permitted to break an NLI if there is a coaching change?

No, you're not.

"Is an NLI binding if the coach of my sport leaves the instituion?

Yes. The NLI you signed with an institution remains binding if the coach who recruited you leaves the institution with which you signed. When you sign an NLI, you sign with an institution and not with a coach or a specific team."
http://www.nationalletter.org/frequentlyAskedQuestions/bindingAgreement.html#

Can you tell us either where you heard about the three recruits or who they are?
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

I suppose another possibility is that some of this fall's recruits could have decided to just skip college for another year to let their NLI run out and to try to sign with another school for the following year (I think the letter is binding for only a year). Of the recruits I listed earlier, three will be younger than 20 next fall -- Conger, Corriveau, and Gicewicz -- so it seems like they'd be the most likely to try that, although given that Gicewicz's brother is already playing for SLU, I'd expect him to be pretty likely to show up.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

No, you're not.

"Is an NLI binding if the coach of my sport leaves the instituion?

Yes. The NLI you signed with an institution remains binding if the coach who recruited you leaves the institution with which you signed. When you sign an NLI, you sign with an institution and not with a coach or a specific team."
http://www.nationalletter.org/frequentlyAskedQuestions/bindingAgreement.html#

Can you tell us either where you heard about the three recruits or who they are?

In most cases the school will be accepting of the players wish to leave though because of the coaching change. Just happened to Carvel the other day, Ty Pelton-Byce flipped to Harvard after already signing an NLI
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

The players involved are threatening to sit out a year if SLU doesn't release them from the NLI. It's now potentially 4 players and as you can imagine they are probably our best recruits. I sure hope the school doesn't release them because if they do to be fair you would have to offer that to every player on the team!
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

The players involved are threatening to sit out a year if SLU doesn't release them from the NLI. It's now potentially 4 players and as you can imagine they are probably our best recruits. I sure hope the school doesn't release them because if they do to be fair you would have to offer that to every player on the team!

Where are getting this information? Can you offer some sort of insight/proof of this other than just a random post on the USCHO forum? I mean, rumors do run rampant sometimes, doesn't make them at all accurate. I once heard a rumor that you could see yourself sleeping if you just woke up fast enough ... So, obviously I'm skeptical to say the least. Prove me/us wrong!
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Even if its true, let'em sit out. move on. I will guarantee you that anyone on Heisenberg's SLU list is not irreplaceable.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

The information is coming second hand but originates from the coaches.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Even if its true, let'em sit out. move on. I will guarantee you that anyone on Heisenberg's SLU list is not irreplaceable.

Given all the uncertainty floating around, I'm trying very hard not to make a joke about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle... Sorry, took a lot of physics at SLU...
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

The players involved are threatening to sit out a year if SLU doesn't release them from the NLI. It's now potentially 4 players and as you can imagine they are probably our best recruits. I sure hope the school doesn't release them because if they do to be fair you would have to offer that to every player on the team!

They need to sit tight for a bit. There is some exceptional talent that is or will be applying for the new coaches job.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

In most cases the school will be accepting of the players wish to leave though because of the coaching change. Just happened to Carvel the other day, Ty Pelton-Byce flipped to Harvard after already signing an NLI

Thanks for the info. I meant but forgot to mention earlier that a school can release you from your NLI and you can appeal to the NCAA if they won't release you. Didn't know anything about how things work in practice, though.

However, in that particular case of Ty Pelton-Byce switching from UMass to Harvard, the NLI should be irrelevant because the Ivies don't participate in the NLI program.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Thanks for the info. I meant but forgot to mention earlier that a school can release you from your NLI and you can appeal to the NCAA if they won't release you. Didn't know anything about how things work in practice, though.

However, in that particular case of Ty Pelton-Byce switching from UMass to Harvard, the NLI should be irrelevant because the Ivies don't participate in the NLI program.

Very relevant as UMASS does participate in the NLI and holds the NLI, not Harvard.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Very relevant as UMASS does participate in the NLI and holds the NLI, not Harvard.

According to the NLI website, it's irrelevant:

"What happens if I change my mind about attending the institution with which I signed?

And I want to attend another NLI institution instead:
- The NLI basic penalty is that you lose one year of competition in all sports and must serve one year in residence at your next NLI institution.

But I do not want to attend another NLI institution:
- The penalty does not have to be served unless you attend an NLI institution."

http://www.nationalletter.org/frequentlyAskedQuestions/askingForARelease.html
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Did anyone else see Matt Vautour's March 8th article in the Sun Gazette and tweet naming Carvel as a potential candidate for the UMass position? March 8th was way before the leak at the end of March (and was about a week before the ECAC games at LP.) Wonder where he got his info and wonder why we missed it.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University Skating Saints - 2015-2016

Did anyone else see Matt Vautour's March 8th article in the Sun Gazette and tweet naming Carvel as a potential candidate for the UMass position? March 8th was way before the leak at the end of March (and was about a week before the ECAC games at LP.) Wonder where he got his info and wonder why we missed it.

I just went and found the article. He was just speculating about possible candidates and included Greg because of his ties to UMass.

http://www.gazettenet.com/Sports/UM...-have-some-strong-candidates-for-hockey-coach
 
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