St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyond?

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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

First off health sciences is completely different then nursing. PA, PT, OT, AT are health sciences. Nursing is a separate school for every college and Yale has a nursing school. Quinnipiac is clearly using athletics to promote the academics. Athletics are used by schools that aren't ivies that want to become more well known as a doorstep to the university. Meaning that when a high school junior in upstate New York is flipping through the channels and sees a Quinnipiac game on tv for hockey with a sold out crowd, that may peak their interest about the school. No other ecac school does that in any regard, which you view as why q is not good for ecac. But in fact q is doing the entire ecac a favor and more teams should do similar. We want our great hockey conference to receive more national notoriety. We don't want to get complacent and say our schools reputations speak for themselves. An analogy would be coca cola has the largest brand in the world. Everyone knows about them. So why advertise? To keep the brand in front of the public. The schools that can afford to do such things, should do such things. And we shouldn't be criticizing q for doing it either. Whether everyone likes it or not q has done nothing but helped the ecac. Say what you want about academics or rand. But I'd imagine most AD's agree q has been positive for the ecac and at the end of the day we should all be pleased with every school if they are positively affecting this conference. Just my opinion

No. I think you are missing on a point and admitting a point at the same time. I don't think the rest of the ECAC is behind the promoting of the school through athletics. That by definition is against the culture of the other ECAC schools. It's fine for Miami, Syracuse, etc. but it is not an ECAC school tactic and it does not benefit the league, it benefits Q-Peck. It's exactly what the other HEA schools did that led to the divorce. Further, I don't think the other league members want to attract prospective students that way. I am pretty sure they want to attract the brightest students most of whom could probably give a flip about any athletic program. There is an element of the the University of Chicago philosophy undercurrent in the ECAC schools. Univ of Chicago had NCAA D1 champions in football and I think is the only school with a winning record against Notre Dame and then one year their President Hutchins killed their football program saying the aims of athletics and academics are mutually exclusive. Yale did more to raise the profile of the league last year than Q-peck. I think if you asked around the league with the mic turned off you would find a lot of Judge Smails.

 

[BigAl]

No. I think you are missing on a point and admitting a point at the same time. I don't think the rest of the ECAC is behind the promoting of the school through athletics. That by definition is against the culture of the other ECAC schools. It's fine for Miami, Syracuse, etc. but it is not an ECAC school tactic and it does not benefit the league, it benefits Q-Peck. It's exactly what the other HEA schools did that led to the divorce. Further, I don't think the other league members want to attract prospective students that way. I am pretty sure they want to attract the brightest students most of whom could probably give a flip about any athletic program. There is an element of the the University of Chicago philosophy undercurrent in the ECAC schools. Univ of Chicago had NCAA D1 champions in football and I think is the only school with a winning record against Notre Dame and then one year their President Hutchins killed their football program saying the aims of athletics and academics are mutually exclusive. Yale did more to raise the profile of the league last year than Q-peck. I think if you asked around the league with the mic turned off you would find a lot of Judge Smails.

In this day in age a schools academic reputation is not enough for students. So many schools have extraordinary programs that each school must do something to differentiate themselves to keep the brightest kids coming. That's why you see gorgeous dorms, huge cafeterias with every food possible, and aesthetically beautiful campuses. Because the academics aren't enough to get kids in the door. That's how it is. And athletics are apart of that. Should colgate scrap their plan to build a new rink? Of course not. Now they might have an edge over another school which in turn brings better recruits which raises the level of play in the ecac. That's what we want. Whether you hate Yale or not everyone should agree it helped the ecac by them winning the championship. We should all be wanting what's best for our conference as well as our schools. If q starts becoming a national force every year, then other ecac schools are going to make similar changes to stay at the forefront of the ecac and college hockey. THAT IS GOOD

 

[LynahFan]

Quinnipiac is no commuter school and the academics are not "dead." Look I understand the q has little to no history compared to the rest of the ecac but hell most schools in this country don't have history compared to the ecac. Q is a relatively new school but to say academics are dead is a joke. Health sciences at q would stack up with just about any other school in the country and squash 95% of the rest. The business school is 61st in the country and has been the biggest jumper in the last 3 years in the entire nation. The communications school puts more kids at espn then any other school in the nation. And the med school denies Ivy grads.
Your 30 year old opinion is no longer valid. The school has transformed and is listed as the #1 up and coming school in the northeast. So please reevaluate the facts because standards change over a span of 10 years and that's certainly true with q.

Bccarlisle didn't say that Q's academics were dead, he said that the grades Kepler gave to the schools were "dead on" (i.e. accurate).

Kepler - Cornell doesn't offer welding, plumbing, or auto mechanics degrees, either. Not all vocations that can be taught are "studies." Waiting for your service entrance quote in 3...2...1...

 

[vicb]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Less than 4 hrs to game time you 5. You have until 7PM tonight.

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1st round contestants who have not submitted picks:

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Jack T. Ripper
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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

In this day in age a schools academic reputation is not enough for students. So many schools have extraordinary programs that each school must do something to differentiate themselves to keep the brightest kids coming. That's why you see gorgeous dorms, huge cafeterias with every food possible, and aesthetically beautiful campuses. Because the academics aren't enough to get kids in the door. That's how it is. And athletics are apart of that. Should colgate scrap their plan to build a new rink? Of course not. Now they might have an edge over another school which in turn brings better recruits which raises the level of play in the ecac. That's what we want. Whether you hate Yale or not everyone should agree it helped the ecac by them winning the championship. We should all be wanting what's best for our conference as well as our schools. If q starts becoming a national force every year, then other ecac schools are going to make similar changes to stay at the forefront of the ecac and college hockey. THAT IS GOOD

Do you have any idea how many other investments Colgate has made in the last 30 years while having a rink that is one of the worst in D1? They don't even have a full slate of scholarships. They have 4 a year. I almost wish they would give the 18 like the non-ivies (minus Union) as a higher priority. SLU has built a new student center, a new science center, new dorms, a new computer center a new fieldhouse and athletic center, upgraded football stadium, new soccer field, etc. Those are investments that align with what the philosophy is. Maybe it's time to change, but I think the other ECAC schools are happy with the Ivy, NESCAC model and just sees the Q-Peck model as repugnant. At the time of the divorce, BC built Conte Forum and their scoreboards alone probably cost more than Appleton. They were not a good school 30 years ago but have improved their academic profile through athletics. Yes, that model can work. But it isn't a fit in a league with schools that frankly don't need to improve their academic profiles. You can't get a better profile than the Ivy members, and all the non-Ivy members have improved a lot over the last 20 years through 'traditional' means. Then you have your coach complaining that without JST they are just a two line team. Cripes, almost every team in the ECAC is, at best, a 2 line team. Part of that is parity and part of it is that they can't just build up a roster to 30 guys. I just think that your argument is counter-culture to the other league members and the admissions / recruitment process at the other members has evolved past the dangle a shiny object in front of them to maintaining a very stable and consistent approach to chase academic excellence. Further, we have 4 league members in UC, SLU, Clarkson and RPI that are D-3 schools that can't spend like Q-Peck even if they wanted to. Colgate's in that mix too. Building a new rink at Colgate....have you been to Hamilton and met the 35 people not there because of the University. That's the same reason a new rink at SLU is way off. As a result, I just don't see ECAC schools other than Yale ever developing a rivalry with Q-Peck. It's the red-headed step child syndrome and the hair color Q-Peck is using to fit in is the opposite approach that other members would take.

 

[BigAl]

Do you have any idea how many other investments Colgate has made in the last 30 years while having a rink that is one of the worst in D1? They don't even have a full slate of scholarships. They have 4 a year. I almost wish they would give the 18 like the non-ivies (minus Union) as a higher priority. SLU has built a new student center, a new science center, new dorms, a new computer center a new fieldhouse and athletic center, upgraded football stadium, new soccer field, etc. Those are investments that align with what the philosophy is. Maybe it's time to change, but I think the other ECAC schools are happy with the Ivy, NESCAC model and just sees the Q-Peck model as repugnant. At the time of the divorce, BC built Conte Forum and their scoreboards alone probably cost more than Appleton. They were not a good school 30 years ago but have improved their academic profile through athletics. Yes, that model can work. But it isn't a fit in a league with schools that frankly don't need to improve their academic profiles. You can't get a better profile than the Ivy members, and all the non-Ivy members have improved a lot over the last 20 years through 'traditional' means. Then you have your coach complaining that without JST they are just a two line team. Cripes, almost every team in the ECAC is, at best, a 2 line team. Part of that is parity and part of it is that they can't just build up a roster to 30 guys. I just think that your argument is counter-culture to the other league members and the admissions / recruitment process at the other members has evolved past the dangle a shiny object in front of them to maintaining a very stable and consistent approach to chase academic excellence. Further, we have 4 league members in UC, SLU, Clarkson and RPI that are D-3 schools that can't spend like Q-Peck even if they wanted to. Colgate's in that mix too. Building a new rink at Colgate....have you been to Hamilton and met the 35 people not there because of the University. That's the same reason a new rink at SLU is way off. As a result, I just don't see ECAC schools other than Yale ever developing a rivalry with Q-Peck. It's the red-headed step child syndrome and the hair color Q-Peck is using to fit in is the opposite approach that other members would take.

Do you think Q is bad for the ecac?

 

[Spaceman]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

SLU lines for tonight: Martin-Carey-Carey, Wick-Doherty-Hughes, Dahl-Ward-Essery, Hagen-Smolcynski-Hudson.

D: Bayreuther-Baker, Sweetman-Raley, Austin-Graham. Weninger in net.

 

[Kdaddy1968]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Building a new rink at Colgate....have you been to Hamilton and met the 35 people not there because of the University. That's the same reason a new rink at SLU is way off.

You want to trade for Gutterson?

 

[SLUFan34]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

1-0 Colgate already and two cross checking penalties on the Saints.

 

[Saints#1]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

1-0 Colgate already and two cross checking penalties on the Saints.

All the hopes of having the A team show up have been erased early as the apparent D team has showed up ...

 

[SLUFan34]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

2-0 Colgate, PP goal. Saints look lost tonight.

 

[SLUFan34]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Another penalty on SLU. 3rd in the period

 

[Saints#1]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Another penalty on SLU. 3rd in the period

I've given up already ... Read the article from the WDT this weekend with all the good talk and game plan etc etc ... Then they come out and lay an egg so far in the quarterfinals, same thing as last year. I've had it, officially!

 

[freego]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Bad first 5:09 with 2 somewhat soft penalties against Austin. Saints were the better team for most of the game.
I like our chances tomorrow!

 

[2S0L0U2]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Do you think Q is bad for the ecac?

Pretty much everybody league-wide that isn't a Q fan thinks so.

Let's face it: the admission standards are low enough for undergrads that Q can go after recruits that the other 11 schools simply can't.

 

[2S0L0U2]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Athletics are used by schools that aren't ivies that want to become more well known as a doorstep to the university.

This is the biggest cop-out used by schools to overspend on athletics.

If the "university" needs "world-class athletic programs" to draw students, what does it say about that school's academic profile?

 

[Spaceman]

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Bad first 5:09 with 2 somewhat soft penalties against Austin. Saints were the better team for most of the game.
I like our chances tomorrow!

I didn't see the second call, but the first was a complete disgrace call. The Colgate player lost and edge in the corner and fell. The ref then called Austin for a penalty, which was horrendous.

It is what it is though.

Make no mistake, the refs know that Colgate and Cornell need wins to make the NCAA tourney and help the ECAC. We will go no breaks in officiating and didn't tonight.

We just need to play hard and make our own breaks happen.

 

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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Bad first 5:09 with 2 somewhat soft penalties against Austin. Saints were the better team for most of the game.
I like our chances tomorrow!

They were obvious calls and unnecessary penalties, and on both goals SLU players interfered with Wenny's ability to stop the puck. You have to play smarter than that...I'm sorry, that's just inexcusable. I thought the penalty on Baker was a dive by Colgate. The officiating was poor overall. Lots of interferences and take downs by CU defensemen when they didn't have position that would frequently be called holds. Incredible amount of contact away from the puck not a single one of which was called. Greg Carey was good but he needs more space. The SLU goal was pretty but we need at least 3 of them to win.

Well, win tomorrow or enjoy the off-season.

That was not good hockey. Lining 4-5 guys up in the neutral zone, dump, chase, repeat. Ugly. Effective, but ugly.

 

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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I didn't see the second call, but the first was a complete disgrace call. The Colgate player lost and edge in the corner and fell. The ref then called Austin for a penalty, which was horrendous.

I actually disagree. I thought the disgrace calls were the non-calls on the picks and interferences and contact away from the puck. I thought the first one was an obvious, lazy cross-check. If Austin checked him or went for the puck, fine, but he clearly just cross-checked the kid in the back. The guy went down like Monica Lewinsky, but it was an obvious penalty.

 

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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Do you think Q is bad for the ecac?

That's a bit strong. I definitely believe they don't fit. I am inclined to say yes, because what Q-Peck is doing is self-serving and doesn't raise the profile of the league. A team like Q-Peck with easier admissions standards and big spending on hockey wins the NCAA's and most people say "well, they should be good for that kind of spend and that kind of school." A school like Yale wins it, one of the top 2-3 academic schools in the nation and should have no business competing against Minnesota or Denver, and that's good. I don't respect the approach of Q-Peck, and I think Q-Peck pulls down the league academically more than it could ever raise it hockey-wise.