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St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyond?

Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Big weekend, good luck to you guys.:)

Same to you. A win against RPI would be especially helpful to us provided we can do our part. Union is really good. That should be a good game. Also nice to see SLU Alum spawn Goulakis get POTW.

Next week, I beg you to beat Q-Pac. Those *********s need to be silenced, and again, wins against Brown will hopefully help us.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Does anyone have any updates on injuries? I know Graham was hurt last weekend.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

SLU starting lines: Gunnar Hughes/Pat Doherty/Greg Carey, Matt Carey/Brian Ward/Drew Smolcynski, Jeremy Wick/Alexander Dahl/Kyle Essery, Alex Hagen/Ben Masella/Woody Hudson. D-men: Gavin Bayreuther/Justin Baker, Eric Sweetman/Pat Raley, Chris Martin/Riley Austin.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

SLU starting lines: Gunnar Hughes/Pat Doherty/Greg Carey, Matt Carey/Brian Ward/Drew Smolcynski, Jeremy Wick/Alexander Dahl/Kyle Essery, Alex Hagen/Ben Masella/Woody Hudson. D-men: Gavin Bayreuther/Justin Baker, Eric Sweetman/Pat Raley, Chris Martin/Riley Austin.

Wow! We win that and we are in good position to move up to 5th or 6th. Now we are destined for 11th or 12th to end up on the road against Cornell, Clarkson or Yale probably. There's always next season.

I don't know what else to say. That feels like rock bottom and we have had it and view most of this season.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Wow! We win that and we are in good position to move up to 5th or 6th. Now we are destined for 11th or 12th to end up on the road against Cornell, Clarkson or Yale probably. There's always next season.

I don't know what else to say. That feels like rock bottom and we have had it and view most of this season.

Absolutely disgusting effort tonight and I am so sick of having to say that!!! It's looking like this season is a wash and it's onto next season, but honestly for about three years now we have managed to be completely inconsistent all season and I see no signs of that trend breaking in the future. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised and surprised I would be! :rolleyes:
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Wow! We win that and we are in good position to move up to 5th or 6th. Now we are destined for 11th or 12th to end up on the road against Cornell, Clarkson or Yale probably. There's always next season.

I don't know what else to say. That feels like rock bottom and we have had it and view most of this season.

Well, we would have won if we didn't miss on 5-6 wide open nets and/or had not given up an infinite number off odd man rushes/breakaways. I don't know what else to say, either.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Absolutely disgusting effort tonight and I am so sick of having to say that!!! It's looking like this season is a wash and it's onto next season, but honestly for about three years now we have managed to be completely inconsistent all season and I see no signs of that trend breaking in the future. Hoping to be pleasantly surprised and surprised I would be! :rolleyes:

I'll stand by my comments from last week. It's the games that you are supposed to win that tell you more about a team than upsetting Quinnipiac or Union. What a disappointing effort (if there was any) tonight. I don't care that we are 4-3 & 1 against the Top 12 teams in the Pairwise...all that means is we are 7-12-2 against teams that are our equal or teams we maybe could win against that aren't ranked near the top. We are also 4-9 at Appleton. Some hard barn to play in huh?

Some random thoughts...........
--other than Wick and another couple of guys, someone needs to tell this team (particularly our Defense) that hockey is a contact sport. How we continue to back up and allow skaters to carry the puck into the zone, then keep retreating and letting our opponents walk into the slot or take wide open shots from the circles and in is beyond me?? Its like the opposing players skate in with a force field around them that protects them from being hit or knocked off the puck.
--I don't care how talented a defenseman you are, but if you make a beautiful rush, and a forward doesn't cover for you, and then you loiter around the slot hoping the puck is going to come free instead of hauling *** to get back to your position which leads to a 2 on 1 rush and goal....then maybe you should sit on the pine for a bit and watch and learn.
--A question....how many goals might we expect to score in a game if we ourselves took as many breakaways, semi-breakaways, 2 on 1's and wide open looks as we gave Dartmouth tonight? 7, 8, 9, 10 goals??
--Inconsistent I can maybe understand. Getting out hustled and outworked I can't accept. Did we really think Dartmouth was going to play dead because we swept two teams on the road last weekend?

Boy.....was tonight disappointing to watch. I don't know if this is rock bottom Leckster but if we get swept at home after sweeping on the road last week then I would say that might be rock bottom.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I didn't see the game so I can't comment. Seeing the final result sucks though.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I didn't see the game so I can't comment. Seeing the final result sucks though.

You weren't alone in missing it, either, as just over 1,000 showed up for it. Appleton looked and sounded like a morgue (Meehan North?).
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I'll stand by my comments from last week. It's the games that you are supposed to win that tell you more about a team than upsetting Quinnipiac or Union. What a disappointing effort (if there was any) tonight. I don't care that we are 4-3 & 1 against the Top 12 teams in the Pairwise...all that means is we are 7-12-2 against teams that are our equal or teams we maybe could win against that aren't ranked near the top. We are also 4-9 at Appleton. Some hard barn to play in huh?

Some random thoughts...........
--other than Wick and another couple of guys, someone needs to tell this team (particularly our Defense) that hockey is a contact sport. How we continue to back up and allow skaters to carry the puck into the zone, then keep retreating and letting our opponents walk into the slot or take wide open shots from the circles and in is beyond me?? Its like the opposing players skate in with a force field around them that protects them from being hit or knocked off the puck.
--I don't care how talented a defenseman you are, but if you make a beautiful rush, and a forward doesn't cover for you, and then you loiter around the slot hoping the puck is going to come free instead of hauling *** to get back to your position which leads to a 2 on 1 rush and goal....then maybe you should sit on the pine for a bit and watch and learn.
--A question....how many goals might we expect to score in a game if we ourselves took as many breakaways, semi-breakaways, 2 on 1's and wide open looks as we gave Dartmouth tonight? 7, 8, 9, 10 goals??
--Inconsistent I can maybe understand. Getting out hustled and outworked I can't accept. Did we really think Dartmouth was going to play dead because we swept two teams on the road last weekend?

Boy.....was tonight disappointing to watch. I don't know if this is rock bottom Leckster but if we get swept at home after sweeping on the road last week then I would say that might be rock bottom.

Getting out hustled and outworked I can't accept either. Fans such as those of us that really care and post here - well, we deserve much better.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I didn't see the game so I can't comment. Seeing the final result sucks though.

I only saw part of the game . . . because I couldn't stand to watch any more after Dartmouth's third goal and turned it off.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

OK, I didn't see the game, but jezz some of the comments on here indicate that we didn't show up at all. Let's try to put this in some perspective.

The Saints hit the crossbar three times and out shot their opponent, including by a 17-2 margin in the 3rd period! It looks like to me the effort was there, but the results were not. This is hockey and sometimes that happens.

Try to keep your head up folks.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

I'll stand by my comments from last week. It's the games that you are supposed to win that tell you more about a team than upsetting Quinnipiac or Union. What a disappointing effort (if there was any) tonight. I don't care that we are 4-3 & 1 against the Top 12 teams in the Pairwise...all that means is we are 7-12-2 against teams that are our equal or teams we maybe could win against that aren't ranked near the top. We are also 4-9 at Appleton. Some hard barn to play in huh?

Some random thoughts...........
--other than Wick and another couple of guys, someone needs to tell this team (particularly our Defense) that hockey is a contact sport. How we continue to back up and allow skaters to carry the puck into the zone, then keep retreating and letting our opponents walk into the slot or take wide open shots from the circles and in is beyond me?? Its like the opposing players skate in with a force field around them that protects them from being hit or knocked off the puck.
--I don't care how talented a defenseman you are, but if you make a beautiful rush, and a forward doesn't cover for you, and then you loiter around the slot hoping the puck is going to come free instead of hauling *** to get back to your position which leads to a 2 on 1 rush and goal....then maybe you should sit on the pine for a bit and watch and learn.
--A question....how many goals might we expect to score in a game if we ourselves took as many breakaways, semi-breakaways, 2 on 1's and wide open looks as we gave Dartmouth tonight? 7, 8, 9, 10 goals??
--Inconsistent I can maybe understand. Getting out hustled and outworked I can't accept. Did we really think Dartmouth was going to play dead because we swept two teams on the road last weekend?

Boy.....was tonight disappointing to watch. I don't know if this is rock bottom Leckster but if we get swept at home after sweeping on the road last week then I would say that might be rock bottom.

I agree. If they lose tonight, I am not going to bother watching them again until the playoffs when it is do or die.

It's nights like last night that I really miss Bob Prier because the guys should be afraid to go back into the locker room after the 2nd or 3rd.

Bottom line, we have some smart guys but they clearly do not have the message that a few wins against top 5 teams does not mean that we are so good we can coast against anyone, that it takes 60 minutes of 100% effort, that you can't afford to take stupid penalties. I think this team thinks they are really good. I have no other way to explain how they plain suck after big wins.

Newsflash, we have 5 games left and we have to win all 5 to finish over .500 the water mark for decent teams.

I'm also going to say it...that Greg Carey is hurting us at the moment. He continues to shoot right into skates a lot and he took two penalties last night both of which were avoidable and one of which yielded Dartmouth's first goal and gave them life. If you have the shot, by all means take it. But if you don't, especially on the PP, someone else is open.

I watched most of it. It was painful to watch. We won very few battles down low. If periods 1 and 2 looked like period 3, we should have won. Then again, 2 SOG in the 3rd and the only goal was for them.

All I know is if these guys don't pull their head out, it's they who will have to live with the regret of what could have been a great season to being one most of us would rather forget.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

OK, I didn't see the game, but jezz some of the comments on here indicate that we didn't show up at all. Let's try to put this in some perspective.

The Saints hit the crossbar three times and out shot their opponent, including by a 17-2 margin in the 3rd period! It looks like to me the effort was there, but the results were not. This is hockey and sometimes that happens.

Try to keep your head up folks.

Tayt, they mailed it in. It was not a good effort. If they played like that against Q-Pac or Union they would have lost 10-1. It was a totally undisciplined effort. Guys not covering the point, guys over pursuing on the forecheck and getting caught in deep giving up odd man rushes, not battling down low, not playing a physical game. Good teams win games like that.

Yes, we did play better in the 3rd, but we were outscored 1-0 and where was the similar effort in the first 2 periods? Dartmouth is not good on the PK or on defense, but we sure made them look like they were.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Hard to fathom :confused:
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Wick? IMHO he's been the glue that's held us together the last few games.

Carey? Midway through the second I told my daughter I thought he was looking for penalties. He gets hit with one a bit later, and bam, it's 1-1 soon after.

D'men? 2nd period. Baker sticks handles the puck in behind the D'mouth net, SLU shrinks onto the net for the big score to finish off the highlight reel individual play, D'mouth isn't impressed with the show so it takes the puck away, clears it towards the blue line where a man in green skates away from all the spectators on the ice dressed in white to go one on one with Wennie. Score! I am not impressed and it'll be a D'mouth highlight, not ours. It also bothers me that so much of our scoring is coming from Baker and Bayreuther. Where's the offense? If the D is doing so much scoring, who's minding the D shop?

Team sport? Ask Chris Martin what team means-he's giving all in a position he's not used to playing, and doing it well.

Inconsistent, confused, undisciplined.

My question for those of you who know much more about the game than I do, shouldn't we have a fairly well established line up by now? I almost choked when I saw the 1st team last night. This was a critical game to get into home ice position, and we seem to have found a line up that worked. Where did it go and why? I hate even thinking this, but how much of this is coaching? He is the person who sets the lines, why hasn't he settled anything?
 
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Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Wick? IMHO he's been the glue that's held us together the last few games.

Carey? Midway through the second I told my daughter I thought he was looking for penalties. He gets hit with one a bit later, and bam, it's 1-1 soon after.

D'men? 2nd period. Baker sticks handles the puck in behind the D'mouth net, SLU shrinks onto the net for the big score to finish off the highlight reel individual play, D'mouth isn't impressed with the show so it takes the puck away, clears it towards the blue line where a man in green skates away from all the spectators on the ice dressed in white to go one on one with Wennie. Score! I am not impressed and it'll be a D'mouth highlight, not ours. It also bothers me that so much of our scoring is coming from Baker and Bayreuther. Where's the offense? If the D is doing so much scoring, who's minding the D shop?

Team sport? Ask Chris Martin what team means-he's giving all in a position he's not used to playing, and doing it well.

Inconsistent, confused, undisciplined.

My question for those of you who know much more about the game than I do, shouldn't we have a fairly well established line up by now? I almost choked when I saw the 1st team last night. This was a critical game to get into home ice position, and we seem to have found a line up that worker. Where did it go and why? I hate even thinking this doing this, but how much of this is coaching? He is the person who sets the lines, why hasn't he settled anything?

I was texting with Critsports last night and said the one guy from this senior class I am going to miss is Wick. He is the one guy that reliably gives a solid effort. He does take penalties, but usually they are from playing very physical hockey. Some of his hits over the last 4 years are the kind that leave a mark.

I understand the lineup changes. G. Carey is not scoring late and we need him to score so it's time to change it up and see if we can get more balanced scoring and shake the goal scoring out of him and others. Unfortunately, it didn't work last night. It's also important at this point in the season to try to find some chemistry between the younger guys so we can find some working chemistry for future years. Also, we have injuries. Both Graham and McGovern are out so the lines have to change.

It is not a problem that Bayreuther and Baker have so many goals. Have the D dynamically involved in the offense is what makes us a very good offensive team. Unfortunately, some nights it is also what makes us a bad defensive team. The difference between last night and last Saturday was last Saturday we had all 6 guys involved in both the offense and the defense and playing a disciplined game in our own end and winning battles in their end. Last night it was the opposite. All six guys were not involved in defense for sure, they did not win battles and five guys trying to do it alone on offense are 50 times less effective than the same five guys playing together.

Martin was not as noticeable last night but that's not a knock because he has been very noticeable and very good in most recent games. I agree that he is doing his part. He has blazing speed which never hurts.

Greg Carey was showing signs of frustration. I think he was lucky to only get two penalties in the game. The flip side of that though is Dartmouth took some liberties against him and those also were not called . He was cross checked from behind, interfered with, etc. ECAC refs are just clueless. Not to mention they miss things like offsides. SLU had a good rush last night called offside that wasn't. They should let Greg Lapinski ref the games from the booth, he sees 10 times more than all four refs combined.

Others have mentioned Baker's rush and he is very good offensively and at rushing and handling the puck, but technically that breakaway goal was on the left wing or one of the forwards who failed to cover his point and converged on the puck in an effort to get possession. He should have hauled *** to get back in position after he lost the puck and his point should have been covered, two mistakes and a goal against from that play.

No one could or would argue that we don't have a number of very talented guys. But no matter how much talent there is individually, you will rarely be successful in a team sport in hockey. Not sure whether they guys partied last week and focused on watching Olympic hockey and Labatts at the Hoot or what, but whatever the hell happened that's about as opposite from two weeks ago against Union as it gets.
 
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Where were the fans last night? Was it snowing? The place was empty and there was no energy in the stands or on the ice. There were 628 fans at Dartmouth in the Women's game and 1126 in Canton for the Men's game. Not a good turnout.
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Thanks for the detailed reply and education Got 6. I'm fairly new to the game so all the knowledge you and all the others on this forum offer is greatly appreciated!
 
Re: St. Lawrence University 2013-2014: Carey, Carey, carry us to Placid ... And beyon

Where were the fans last night? Was it snowing? The place was empty and there was no energy in the stands or on the ice. There were 628 fans at Dartmouth in the Women's game and 1126 in Canton for the Men's game. Not a good turnout.

The 1126 is not accurate. There is never an accurate attendance figure at Appleton anymore due to the students free access and they are counted in the attendance. 1126 is the paid attendance and you're looking at probably another 500-1000 students. Altogether that is still around 2000 in an arena that seats close to 3000, so yeah not good. I know the weather wasn't the greatest, but we have had far greater turnouts when the weather was even worse in the past. Not sure what the issue is there. Maybe some of the fans are as frustrated as we are, who knows :confused:
 
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