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St. Cloud to NCHC

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Let's look at reality here. There is a lot going on at SCSU right now and there will be many exciting developments throughout the end of 2011. SCSU has a foot up on the majority of the hockey programs in the country with the planned expansion of the NHC and many other associated things. The administration understands the importance of hockey to their athletic department and has been very proactive on a number of fronts. I have not seen a press release from anyone (NCHC or SCSU). However, if true this move allows SCSU to continue to provide the very best in college hockey competition for it's fans. In addition to the NCHC schedule they will continue to have BSU and MSU on their schedule in addition to a pending agreement with U of MN.

From a business standpoint they need to increase season ticket sales, fill the suites in the remodeled building, sell advertising and sponsorships and keep two of the most attractive opponents, UMD and UND in their building on a REGULAR basis. In college sports it's all about survival for many athletic programs and for the SCSU athletic department to thrive, not just exist they need to make some bold decisions. This is one of them.

Additionally, SCSU could not simply sit back and watch a similar profile school -UMD gain an advantage athletically or from an enrollment standpoint. Keep in mind SCSU is consistently one of the top draws at both AMSOIL and Engelstadt Arena. That is a fact making it highly beneficial to both those schools to support SCSU.

From the coaches perspective, it places SCSU on a much stronger footing in recruiting. That's a fact.

When you add it all together SCSU has no other choice if there is infacvt an invite. To sit back and throw darts at the SCSU administration is extremely shallow and uninformed. If you've been paying attention at all to some of the communications from the new MNSCU chancellor I truly believe his mission is to give the MNSCU institutions more autonomy to run their schools. It's a competitive world out there and the strong need to get stronger.

SCSU needs to do what's best for THEIR athletic program.
 
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Bronzebacks said:
I think they should have the previous year's champ have a bye and do a play in game. Like the old Final 5 format. For the first year, draw for the bye.
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Problem is then you don't know how many games you'll get. lets say BSU and MSU-M play a play-in game. Winner gets two more games. Loser gets none. You can't go back and replace those games that season, schedule someone who doesn't care which one they face. I think it almost has to be four teams playing two games with unfortunately a 3rd place game.
 
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Then your boy should have kept his mouth shut when they were first shut out of the NaCHo(C) conference, instead of acting all indignant about not being invited in the first place.
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Problem is then you don't know how many games you'll get. lets say BSU and MSU-M play a play-in game. Winner gets two more games. Loser gets none. You can't go back and replace those games that season, schedule someone who doesn't care which one they face. I think it almost has to be four teams playing two games with unfortunately a 3rd place game.
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That is a legitimate concern.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Then your boy should have kept his mouth shut when they were first shut out of the NaCHo(C) conference, instead of acting all indignant about not being invited in the first place.
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True. But in the end, it makes very little difference, 'cause in 5 years, nobody remembers the quote. And I can't speak for other Husky fans, but I'm assuming most agree that Potter's no more "our boy" than Seigo.
 
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It was a big surprise that they didn't invite SCSU to begin with. Anything that helps tie up central Minnesota is a great thing for the league. In fact, it surprised me that SCSU came out so angry after its forming...figuring that some day they could well get an invite.

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I'd agree that ND is likely to go to the Big Ten but I just have a hard time seeing them pull the trigger on this big decision so quickly. I still think they would like to get one last crack at an NBC contract and weigh the options.
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Not at all what's comiing from the football boards. They believe that even with all the realignment chaos...Notre Dame is well positioned to stay independent.
 
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Brenthoven said:
Then your boy should have kept his mouth shut when they were first shut out of the NaCHo(C) conference, instead of acting all indignant about not being invited in the first place.
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He is a stellar administrator and he is competitive. His accomplishments at SCSU since he's been here have been outstanding. There was no invite at that time. He's stated his position.

I'm not sure what the above has anything to do with what is happening now. It's simply someone sitting on the sidelines grumbling because SCSU may make a decision that's in the best interest of their school.

And, by the way, if the NCHC had/has an issue with any comments previously it certainly hasn't deterred them from apparantly making an invite. So, why should it be a concern of yours. Seems silly to me.
 
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In accepting the invite UND, DU and CC will be less likely to play the Gophers more than two times a decade. IMO, this is bad news for the UND vs. MN rivalry.
 
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Montelena said:
He is a stellar administrator and he is competitive. His accomplishments at SCSU since he's been here have been outstanding. There was no invite at that time. He's stated his position.

I'm not sure what the above has anything to do with what is happening now. It's simply someone sitting on the sidelines grumbling because SCSU may make a decision that's in the best interest of their school.

And, by the way, if the NCHC had/has an issue with any comments previously it certainly hasn't deterred them from apparantly making an invite. So, why should it be a concern of yours. Seems silly to me.
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It matters because the guy made a hypocrite of himself when joining a conference "that was a bad idea and we want no part of it" (paraphrased) when they weren't even invited in the first place. Now that the "cool kids" are letting the nerds in, because no one else wanted to join, SCSU is all about what a great idea this conference is.

And don't get me wrong, the NaCHo(C) conference has major egg on their face too, since they had to come back and grovel to WMU and SCSU.
 
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Brenthoven said:
It matters because the guy made a hypocrite of himself when joining a conference "that was a bad idea and we want no part of it" (paraphrased) when they weren't even invited in the first place. Now that the "cool kids" are letting the nerds in, because no one else wanted to join, SCSU is all about what a great idea this conference is.

And don't get me wrong, the NaCHo(C) conference has major egg on their face too, since they had to come back and grovel to WMU and SCSU.
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Since I'm not on here often I'm not sure what program you are a fan of. What program do you follow? And if it's not SCSU why are you so hyper-sensitive about this?
 
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SCSU Euro said:
Yeah, but here's my question... 5 teams in the state of MN, so does that mean that every four years one of the teams not named University of Minnesota will have to sit out?
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Don't worry; I still don't think Mankato's program will survive all of this.

Congratulations St. Cloud; the cool kids let you off the Island of Misfit Toys.

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Montelena said:
Since I'm not on here often I'm not sure what program you are a fan of. What program do you follow? And if it's not SCSU why are you so hyper-sensitive about this?
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Gopher fan (and anti-B1G Mistake).

It just lessens my opinion of SCSU (not that it was that high to begin with ;)) because they decided to play follow the leader instead of actually doing what they said they were going to do. It's such a blatant about-face in such a short time......and that's the administration you want leading your school?
 
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Brenthoven said:
It matters because the guy made a hypocrite of himself when joining a conference "that was a bad idea and we want no part of it" (paraphrased) when they weren't even invited in the first place. Now that the "cool kids" are letting the nerds in, because no one else wanted to join, SCSU is all about what a great idea this conference is.
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I have not read any (besides the post your replied to) posts from SCSU fans saying how great this conference is. Am I glad we're in and not out? Yes. Would I trade it all for the old WCHA without Minnesota and Wisconsin? In a heartbeat.
 
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Pump It Up said:
I have not read any (besides the post your replied to) posts from SCSU fans saying how great this conference is. Am I glad we're in and not out? Yes. Would I trade it all for the old WCHA without Minnesota and Wisconsin? In a heartbeat.
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The admin, not necessarily the fans. I highly doubt they'd join if they thought it was a bad idea.
 
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Pump It Up said:
I have not read any (besides the post your replied to) posts from SCSU fans saying how great this conference is. Am I glad we're in and not out? Yes. Would I trade it all for the old WCHA without Minnesota and Wisconsin? In a heartbeat.
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So are you still boycotting tRalph? Guess you can just pick us up and drop us off, then we can head to Bonzer's?
 
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Brenthoven said:
Gopher fan (and anti-B1G Mistake).

It just lessens my opinion of SCSU (not that it was that high to begin with ;)) because they decided to play follow the leader instead of actually doing what they said they were going to do. It's such a blatant about-face in such a short time......and that's the administration you want leading your school?
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Cancelling homecoming is asinine and the comment about not joining the NCHC if asked was real stupid. I don't really agree with much the past few SCSU administrations have done. That said, as a proud SCSU alum, if Potter comes out immediately after the formation of the NCHC and says we won't go, even if invited, does that mean that the majority of SCSU fans (who may want to go to the NCHC) are bound by his stupid comment?

He took so much crap he had to do an about-face. In Earl's perfect little world over there at 720 Fourth Ave South, I'm sure he wishes he could have just stuck it out with the WCHA, but, and others would know better than I, supposedly he got major backlash from big hockey donors.
 
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