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SCOTUS 14: Confirming a Rabid Partisan to Own the Libs

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ScoobyDoo said:
Pretty tough. The default backup position of the voter class is bsabsvr. It's never bsadsvd. If it were, Hillary and Gore would have been President.
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They could have 90% of eligible voters show up in several states and still lose thanks to the gerrymandering.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
That didn’t really answer the question. The question is where are Democrats wrong, not what are the doing wrong.
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No, it did answer the question.

Political beliefs or creeds or positions are never "wrong." They are just the beliefs or policy positions of a particular person or party.

That's part of the problem. This paternalistic accusation the other side is "wrong."

If you figure out how to get elected, then it will be your belief or creed that will become law, not the other party's.

I've posted this before, and I'll do it again. I've always found it amusing the party that basically argues it is in favor of all good things for all people, and even offers to give the people those things, somehow can't consistently get elected. How is that, exactly?

Until you figure out that answer, (and no, it's not something the Republicans are doing to keep you from getting elected) you're going to be left feeling like you have these past couple of weeks, or even past couple of years.
 
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SJHovey said:
No, it did answer the question.

Political beliefs or creeds or positions are never "wrong." They are just the beliefs or policy positions of a particular person or party.

That's part of the problem. This paternalistic accusation the other side is "wrong."

If you figure out how to get elected, then it will be your belief or creed that will become law, not the other party's.

I've posted this before, and I'll do it again. I've always found it amusing the party that basically argues it is in favor of all good things for all people, and even offers to give the people those things, somehow can't consistently get elected. How is that, exactly?

Until you figure out that answer, (and no, it's not something the Republicans are doing to keep you from getting elected) you're going to be left feeling like you have these past couple of weeks, or even past couple of years.
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What is this, Comedy Central?
 
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SJHovey said:
No, it did answer the question.

Political beliefs or creeds or positions are never "wrong." They are just the beliefs or policy positions of a particular person or party.

That's part of the problem. This paternalistic accusation the other side is "wrong."

If you figure out how to get elected, then it will be your belief or creed that will become law, not the other party's.

I've posted this before, and I'll do it again. I've always found it amusing the party that basically argues it is in favor of all good things for all people, and even offers to give the people those things, somehow can't consistently get elected. How is that, exactly?

Until you figure out that answer, (and no, it's not something the Republicans are doing to keep you from getting elected) you're going to be left feeling like you have these past couple of weeks, or even past couple of years.
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Well, I guess I can't get a straight answer out of you, so I'll wait for Brent.
 
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SJHovey said:
I've posted this before, and I'll do it again. I've always found it amusing the party that basically argues it is in favor of all good things for all people, and even offers to give the people those things, somehow can't consistently get elected. How is that, exactly?

Until you figure out that answer, (and no, it's not something the Republicans are doing to keep you from getting elected) you're going to be left feeling like you have these past couple of weeks, or even past couple of years.
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The answer is evolutionary. As in humans have not evolved enough yet. Too many people still base their actions and decisions on their fears. It served humans well when we were first walking erect and trying to keep from being eaten. Now, we should make decisions and take actions based on reason and mostly careful deliberation. Some of us do. Too many haven't evolved enough to be able to do it. republicans know this, and appeal to the less evolved among us by spreading fear if you vote for a democrat. Fear of brown people taking your job or raping your wife. Fear of the gays destroying marriage or turning your kids gay in a darkened bathroom. Fear of poor people sponging off your hard work. Fear, fear, fear.

And yes I am saying it, if you vote for a republican you are basically un-evolved.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Wow I figured it would take you at least five minutes to start whining about MD.
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Well, you're whining about being shut out in a !D gerrymandered state. The gerrymander works both ways. And MD has also gerrymandered the state districts to ensure that there is no way, save North Dakota moving to the DC suburbs, that the Ds will ever lose power in Annapolis.

And, FYI, the D candidate for governor, Ben Jealous, has publicly stated that he'll gerrymander the 1 remainung GOP seat out of existence.

Such is the state my family lives in.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
You just don’t get it. This isn’t New York City where that might work. The only reason we have a Democrat there who votes with us 60% of the time is because those dumb hicks are too stupid to realize the Democrats aren’t the racists anymore.

Manchin goes away and you get Utah.
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I've already explained multiple times why this isn't actually true. We've seen socialists and ones with populist messages win in rural areas as well and hell that was true before the 90's as well. Even West Virginia used to be blue.
 
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trixR4kids said:
Even West Virginia used to be blue.
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Do you understand why the South used to be blue and why it no longer is?

I've already explained multiple times why this isn't actually true. We've seen socialists and ones with populist messages win in rural areas as well and hell that was true before the 90's as well.
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We have not seen that in the South. Point to three examples of this happening outside of blue states.
 
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Danica Roem took a seat in the VA house of delegates prev. held by a Republican. Connor Lamb's seat was occupied by a Republican. My point isn't so much that this is the only way to go but the idea that you have to run republicans with a D next to their name as the only way to win is ludicrous.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
That didn’t really answer the question. The question is where are Democrats wrong, not what are the doing wrong.

Brent is saying both sides are bad; I’ll leave out the last half. I want to know what’s bad. The Democrats losing these elections makes them incompetent, not bad.
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I don't know if this answers the question as to wrong or right, but you had a post the other day asking why why the DNC doesn't adopt more of a 50 state strategy, as I believe you lamented that it's not a "one size fits all" country. It can be said that many (not all, certainly)of the conflicts between parties have that issue at their core. Federal power vs. State, or even Local power. D's haven't focused on state house elections in 30-40 years, preferring to concentrate on Federal elections and fixing problems through the exercise of Federal Power.

I don't think it's coincidence that many city dwellers are D's, as city dwellers are just normally more dependent on government services for tons of things. Street has a pot hole? Call the government. Trains running late? Call the government. Crime up? Call the government, and so on. Conversely, in the suburbs and rural areas, if the street has a pot hole, a guy probably just shovels some gravel out of the back of his pick-up into it. But, paint your house the wrong color? The government calls. Build a storage shed? The government calls. Wolves kills your cows? The government calls, and so on. It seems entirely natural that one group tends to see expanding government responsibilities and controls as beneficial and another group tends to see it as intrusive. That's their different life experience.

So I'd say that if D's want gain Federal support in rural and suburban areas, they need to first address local issues locally, rather than suggesting that the voters in metro Cook and LA and King counties know the first thing about controlling wolves in Idaho, or that ranchers in Idaho know the first thing about stopping gang violence in Garfield Park, IL. (Although obviously the ranchers in Idaho are all racists who's cows are more important than dead children.)
 
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People in the suburbs use the government for plenty of things they just don't think they do.
 
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SJHovey said:
I've posted this before, and I'll do it again. I've always found it amusing the party that basically argues it is in favor of all good things for all people, and even offers to give the people those things, somehow can't consistently get elected. How is that, exactly?
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Three reasons. voter suppression, gerrymandering, and the Republican's playing on the good ol white boys fear of being marginalized.
 
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trixR4kids said:
People in the suburbs use the government for plenty of things they just don't think they do.
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Yeah, I know! They are just too stupid to realize that cops don't grow on trees.

What's weirder is that in a lot of places they think cops just magically appear, but firemen don't? :confused:

Because apparently they have formed all these 'Volunteer' fire departments. Crazy bastages!
 
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Saw a post from an old friend on Facebook ripping Dr. Ford. Similar family to the one I posted about yesterday. Full Trumper apparently. Pretty amazing what I have learned about people over the last couple of years.
 
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Dump now calling ford a liar and saying it was all a hoax
 
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