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SCOTUS 13: Confirmation consternation contemplation

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Handyman said:
Lying to Congress is a crime...everything he said is subject to scrutiny. If the FBI finds in the course of their investigation proof that goes against something he claimed it is definitely relevant and allowed no matter how much Grassley tries to say otherwise.
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Lying to the FBI is also a crime. In any sort of investigation.

Mark Judge should take note...
 
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The Sicatoka said:
"I do not recall."
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He recalled plenty in his two books. Which, apparently, are not the fictionalized pieces of work that Kavanaugh claimed.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Brett Kavanaugh just said Mark Judge's book, "Wasted," is fictionalized. A note at the beginning of the book says, "This book is based on actual experiences. In some cases, the names and details have been changed to protect the privacy of the people involved." <a href="https://t.co/xRwYA39efD">pic.twitter.com/xRwYA39efD</a></p>— Peter Maass (@maassp) <a href="https://twitter.com/maassp/status/1045411516353302529?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">September 27, 2018</a></blockquote>
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rufus said:
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Hey I already posted that.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I'm going completely from memory of the testimony here so nobody shoot me if I'm wrong. Timmy is Tim Gaudette. I thought Kav said he used to car pool to school with Gaudette. And I thought he said he himself lives no where near Colonial Country Club. Ford says the party in question was near Columbia CC. If he car pooled with Timmy, presumably Timmy doesn't live anywhere near Columbia CC either.

Another issue might be that Tobin's house would be where Kav said they had football workouts run by Tobin's father until "dark", which would be quite late in the evening on July 1. Ford said that this was a pre party, before, she guessed, the others would go to a bigger party later, which was past her curfew as she was only 15. Plus she says the party was after her day at Colonial CC swimming. She had her swimming suit still on as well. How late does this sound like Ford could have gone to this party? And since Kav was presumably at Tobin's until
"dark", How and where do they get completely blasted by the time they meet Ford at this party?

Not insurmountable problems, but they are issues that first come to mind if July 1 is indeed the day.
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Quoting myself because I read today that the location of Tm Gaudette's house has been verified in the press.

I looked up Dr. Ford's opening statement and it contains this quote: "One evening that summer, after a day of swimming at the club, I attended a small gathering at a house in the Chevy Chase/Bethesda area."

Chevy Chase is where Columbia CC is, and where she was swimming for the day. She elsewhere stated that the house in question was in the "vicinity of" Columbia CC and "near Columbia" CC. (She was shown a map related to this during her testimony as well.) Gaudette's house is in Rockville, MD, some 11 miles north of Chevy Chase. Seems difficult to imagine a local referring to that as "near" or "in the vicinty of" Columbia or "in" Chevy Chase/Bethesda.

I still think the phrase "evening after a day of swimming doesn't lend itself well to it being late. It suggests a 6 or 7 o'clock kind of time to me. K is at Tobin's with Tobin's father and other FB players 'til dark working out which is 9:30-10pm on July 1 in MD. K leaves, gets completely hammered with Judge, then shows at the party at...when? An hour... two hours later around midnight? That doesn't seem to jive with Ford's testimony all that well of it being evening, her having one beer, or her having a curfew and this being a "pre party"


Doesn't prove or disprove a single solitary thing. It may either cast some doubt on the July 1 party being the one in question, or, if it is as Sen Whitehouse so strongly suggested Friday, may cast doubt on Dr. Ford's veracity regarding some of those few details which she did provide. Or it may not.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
The every weekend gang rapes allegations. With that many alleged participants how would that not leak to the authorities during that time frame? And of all the alleged victims, not a single one reports? And the person reporting today is female, and she says she kept attending HS parties while in college (really?), and knowing what she claims (namely as a female she'd be a target for the drugging, rape, and abuse) she kept attending? I'm with Alisyn.
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*rolls eyes*

*rolls eyes harder*

I want to argue with you on this, but you're just not going to get it.
 
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Who's to say they actually went to the football workout? Who's to say that this one wasn't til dark, but maybe a morning workout? Who's to say they didn't go to Timmy's house first, and then Kavanaugh, Judge and PJ left and went elsewhere?

Maybe this wasn't the gathering where Ford was attacked. But it certainly shows that there were gatherings such as she described.

But it should be investigated.
 
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A reader of Josh Marshall's blog wrote in to him:


It feels like eons ago, but last night I flashed on that video of the Parkland father trying to have a word with Brett Kavanaugh. The video of the women confronting Flake must have brought it to mind. What struck us at the time was how dismissive Kavanaugh was, even disdainful. When I first saw it, I didn’t want to make too much of it. In retrospect, it reveals who he really is; when he feels someone is beneath him, he treats them with contempt. He did it with the father, with girls when was younger, with U.S. senators, and he’s doing it with the American people.
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My issue isn't with did or didn't he do it. That was an incident that happened 35 years ago that has been long buried deep in the memory by both participants.

What irks me is the "self-entitled drunk uncle" attitude that a Supreme Court nominee showed to the world. This whiny, sniveling, "I liked beer, I still like beer," personified bag-of-milk propped itself in a chair and showed his true colors as a partisan hack who will rule his way. And the GOP all jerked themselves off to the live feed of FOX News as he "testified."

This is a man who *should* have sat there with as much composure as his accuser, explain that he did have a troubled past, one that he realized was wrong, has worked to correct his ways, brag up his accomplishments, talk about his wife and kids and how he's provided for them.

But no, he bragged about liking beer and got violently, guiltily, argumentatively defensive about his accusations.

This is the "top of the list" from Trump and the GOP?
 
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rufus said:
Who's to say they actually went to the football workout? Who's to say that this one wasn't til dark, but maybe a morning workout? Who's to say they didn't go to Timmy's house first, and then Kavanaugh, Judge and PJ left and went elsewhere?

Maybe this wasn't the gathering where Ford was attacked. But it certainly shows that there were gatherings such as she described.

But it should be investigated.
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It wouldn't have been a morning workout because it was run by Tobin's Dad who worked during the day and worked them out in the evening. At least that what K said under oath.


I believe it is going to be investigated, but I was thinking that between us, we were going to crack this case wide open first!

Mostly, I was just surprised that I put a plausible reason for denial there together from my memory of the testimony the other day that turned out to be accurate as far as it went. Clearly I paid way too much attention.
 
aparch said:
My issue isn't with did or didn't he do it. That was an incident that happened 35 years ago that has been long buried deep in the memory by both participants.

What irks me is the "self-entitled drunk uncle" attitude that a Supreme Court nominee showed to the world. This whiny, sniveling, "I liked beer, I still like beer," personified bag-of-milk propped itself in a chair and showed his true colors as a partisan hack who will rule his way. And the GOP all jerked themselves off to the live feed of FOX News as he "testified."

This is a man who *should* have sat there with as much composure as his accuser, explain that he did have a troubled past, one that he realized was wrong, has worked to correct his ways, brag up his accomplishments, talk about his wife and kids and how he's provided for them.

But no, he bragged about liking beer and got violently, guiltily, argumentatively defensive about his accusations.

This is the "top of the list" from Trump and the GOP?
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His outbursts would have disqualified him in any other era.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
It wouldn't have been a morning workout because it was run by Tobin's Dad who worked during the day and worked them out in the evening. At least that what K said under oath.


I believe it is going to be investigated, but I was thinking that between us, we were going to crack this case wide open first!

Mostly, I was just surprised that I put a plausible reason for denial there together from my memory of the testimony the other day that turned out to be accurate as far as it went. Clearly I paid way too much attention.
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Yeah, well you can't believe a thing that Kavanaugh says. Boofing means farting. Devil's Triangle is a drinking game. I can't remember any sort of gathering like Ford describes when there's one right there written down on his calendar. Only drink on weekends. except when we drink on weekdays.

We do know he likes beer though. I'll take him at his word on that.
 
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
John Roberts can’t be pleased with all this much mess the rest
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There was an article I read on CBS this morning (might have been the AP) about how this is bad for the Supreme Court. Kavanaugh’s hysterics and partisan conspiracies will tarnish the image of the court.

the court is the last bastion of thought and deliberation in Washington.
 
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aparch said:
My issue isn't with did or didn't he do it. That was an incident that happened 35 years ago that has been long buried deep in the memory by both participants.

What irks me is the "self-entitled drunk uncle" attitude that a Supreme Court nominee showed to the world. This whiny, sniveling, "I liked beer, I still like beer," personified bag-of-milk propped itself in a chair and showed his true colors as a partisan hack who will rule his way. And the GOP all jerked themselves off to the live feed of FOX News as he "testified."

This is a man who *should* have sat there with as much composure as his accuser, explain that he did have a troubled past, one that he realized was wrong, has worked to correct his ways, brag up his accomplishments, talk about his wife and kids and how he's provided for them.

But no, he bragged about liking beer and got violently, guiltily, argumentatively defensive about his accusations.

This is the "top of the list" from Trump and the GOP?
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The man we saw Thursday afternoon was scary. Not the temperament of a Supreme Court Justice. Surprised he didn't follow up with angry tweets in the middle of the night.
 
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aparch said:
My issue isn't with did or didn't he do it. That was an incident that happened 35 years ago that has been long buried deep in the memory by both participants.

What irks me is the "self-entitled drunk uncle" attitude that a Supreme Court nominee showed to the world. This whiny, sniveling, "I liked beer, I still like beer," personified bag-of-milk propped itself in a chair and showed his true colors as a partisan hack who will rule his way. And the GOP all jerked themselves off to the live feed of FOX News as he "testified."

This is a man who *should* have sat there with as much composure as his accuser, explain that he did have a troubled past, one that he realized was wrong, has worked to correct his ways, brag up his accomplishments, talk about his wife and kids and how he's provided for them.

But no, he bragged about liking beer and got violently, guiltily, argumentatively defensive about his accusations.

This is the "top of the list" from Trump and the GOP?
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So much this.

Kavanaugh could be telling the truth about Ford. Hell, maybe he was never within 10 miles of her when they were younger. But he is one of the worst, if not THE worst, nominee for the Supreme Court we have ever had. His views on the presidency and his hypocrisy thereof alone are disqualifying. His obvious hyper-partisanship, which apparently was on full display Thursday is further evidence he is not judicial material for a court at any level, let alone the highest court in the land. This is what the republican party is in 2018. All of you whataboutism and false equivalency idiots out there are responsible for this mess. Americans need to erase the stain on politics the 21st century republican party has become. If you vote for a republican in any state and at any level, you are helping to perpetuate this.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
So much this.

Kavanaugh could be telling the truth about Ford. Hell, maybe he was never within 10 miles of her when they were younger. But he is one of the worst, if not THE worst, nominee for the Supreme Court we have ever had. His views on the presidency and his hypocrisy thereof alone are disqualifying. His obvious hyper-partisanship, which apparently was on full display Thursday is further evidence he is not judicial material for a court at any level, let alone the highest court in the land. This is what the republican party is in 2018. All of you whataboutism and false equivalency idiots out there are responsible for this mess. Americans need to erase the stain on politics the 21st century republican party has become. If you vote for a republican in any state and at any level, you are helping to perpetuate this.
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You forgot Harriet Miers.
 
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