SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

This will be interesting. Ignoring the 30%, there is a significant amount of the public that is starting to believe Mueller over dumpy. So there's a real risk if they confirm him, more will lose their seats. Are they willing to take that chance?

That would certainly lead to dump being impeached.

Well, it's not 30, it's 35%. Jon Meacham said "you can make 35% of Americans believe anything" and I think he's right. I don't think it will ever get below that number. And, the Republicans can't get elected crossing that 35% of their electorate. It looks like right now my representative in Congress will lose his seat because he doesn't have enough 35% voters in my district to keep him over the top and he can't run away from voting with Trump ~98% of the time.

I think because that 35% is their voters they will get everything they can get through this fall before the election including the Supreme Court seat and then they'll see where they're at for the next election and go from there. The one thing they're good at is getting things they want when they're in power. They've done a fantastic job at that since 1980.

 

[Handyman]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Well, it's not 30, it's 35%. Jon Meacham said "you can make 35% of Americans believe anything" and I think he's right. I don't think it will ever get below that number. And, the Republicans can't get elected crossing that 35% of their electorate. It looks like right now my representative in Congress will lose his seat because he doesn't have enough 35% voters in my district to keep him over the top and he can't run away from voting with Trump ~98% of the time.

I think because that 35% is their voters they will get everything they can get through this fall before the election including the Supreme Court seat and then they'll see where they're at for the next election and go from there. The one thing they're good at is getting things they want when they're in power. They've done a fantastic job at that since 1980.

Paulsen is losing because the Dems are running someone competent against him. If they had run anyone but Terri Boniff last time (someone even the Unions hated) they would have won then too. Paulsen will get his usual voters, this time people arent staying home though.

I think Collins is waffling for what it is worth. There is a massive twitter campaign going after her right now and it seems to be working. (again for now) I think the Cohen/McGhan/Manafort stuff is hitting at the wrong time for Kavanaugh the Hypocrite.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Paulsen is losing because the Dems are running someone competent against him. If they had run anyone but Terri Boniff last time (someone even the Unions hated) they would have won then too. Paulsen will get his usual voters, this time people arent staying home though.

I think Collins is waffling for what it is worth. There is a massive twitter campaign going after her right now and it seems to be working. (again for now) I think the Cohen/McGhan/Manafort stuff is hitting at the wrong time for Kavanaugh the Hypocrite.

Aaah, yes, it's the "it's always the candidate" argument. Which also only applies to the Democrats and never applies to the Republicans.

Collins is voting yes. Mitch will get him through.

 

[Handyman]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Aaah, yes, it's the "it's always the candidate" argument. Which also only applies to the Democrats and never applies to the Republicans.

Collins is voting yes. Mitch will get him through.

My gf is a super lefty and refused to vote for Boniff when we lived in that district. She wasnt alone many teachers didnt along with other lefties. She was an awful candidate on the level of Clinton. Just because you dont want to believe that for some reason doesnt change the facts that the Dems screwed up that seat. Phillips destroys Boniff in every category which is why he will have no problem beating Paulsen.

We will see if Collins votes yes. I would put the odds 60/40 which is much better than a week ago.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

My gf is a super lefty and refused to vote for Boniff when we lived in that district. She wasnt alone many teachers didnt along with other lefties. She was an awful candidate on the level of Clinton. Just because you dont want to believe that for some reason doesnt change the facts that the Dems screwed up that seat. Phillips destroys Boniff in every category which is why he will have no problem beating Paulsen.

We will see if Collins votes yes. I would put the odds 60/40 which is much better than a week ago.

So, Boniff was Roy Moore awful. I see. Cause that's how awful you have to be on the right for it to matter.

Collins is a lock.

And to prove it.

Collins Says Supreme Court Nominee Kavanaugh Called Roe v. Wade 'Settled Law'

https://www.npr.org/2018/08/21/6406...minee-kavanaugh-called-roe-v-wade-settled-law

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

So, Boniff was Roy Moore awful. I see. Cause that's how awful you have to be on the right for it to matter.

At some point the party needs to pull their heads out of you know where and stop giving all their support to terrible candidates over good ones. If the R votes with Trump 98% of the time and the D opponent votes with him 97% of the time and the party gives them all the support over the person who votes with Trump 0% of the time, I can see why people might just F' it and not vote. It's probably not the right move but maybe start focusing your attention on the actual root cause of the problem for once.

You're doing the equivalent of blaming homeowners for the financial crisis.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

At some point the party needs to pull their heads out of you know where and stop giving all their support to terrible candidates over good ones. If the R votes with Trump 98% of the time and the D opponent votes with him 97% of the time and the party gives them all the support over the person who votes with Trump 0% of the time, I can see why people might just F' it and not vote. It's probably not the right move but maybe start focusing your attention on the actual root cause of the problem for once.

You're doing the equivalent of blaming homeowners for the financial crisis.

No. I actually agree with Handy and you that the terrible candidates need to go. I'm pointing out how hard the climb is going to be and that the left have issues to overcome that the right never has to deal with.

EDIT: And by the way, I do not find Phillips the perfect candidate. He's good enough for me to vote for him though.

 

[Handyman]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

No. I actually agree with Handy and you that the terrible candidates need to go. I'm pointing out how hard the climb is going to be and that the left have issues to overcome that the right never has to deal with.

EDIT: And by the way, I do not find Phillips the perfect candidate. He's good enough for me to vote for him though.

Gee shocker. So what candidate would be your perfect candidate?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Gee shocker. So what candidate would be your perfect candidate?

I would prefer Phillips not be just another rich guy. Getting a little tired of that. Someone closer to my own experience.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I would prefer Phillips not be just another rich guy. Getting a little tired of that. Someone closer to my own experience.

Gee I wonder why so many people who run for office are rich??

Dean is someone I’ve spent time with recently and he’s great.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Gee I wonder why so many people who run for office are rich??

Dean is someone I’ve spent time with recently and he’s great.

I can't imagine. Glad to hear it. Your endorsement means more to me than anyone on the news.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

But please, please can we get past the 'I'm not going to vote for Paulsen's opponent' because I'd rather see a better candidate mentality? Just because Paulsen's name is not Trump...doesn't mean there's a different outcome.

 

[Rover]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

At some point the party needs to pull their heads out of you know where and stop giving all their support to terrible candidates over good ones. If the R votes with Trump 98% of the time and the D opponent votes with him 97% of the time and the party gives them all the support over the person who votes with Trump 0% of the time, I can see why people might just F' it and not vote. It's probably not the right move but maybe start focusing your attention on the actual root cause of the problem for once.

You're doing the equivalent of blaming homeowners for the financial crisis.

Kindly point out a Dem that votes with Trump 97% of the time. The beauty of primaries is that you get to choose your nominee and as I've said before, the worst Dem is better than the best Republican. Witness Manchin voting against tax theft for billionaires while Collins voted for it, for example.

 

[Deutsche Gopher Fan]

I can't imagine. Glad to hear it. Your endorsement means more to me than anyone on the news.

One of my close friends is his campaign manager so I’ve seen him after events, when he’s not scripted and not being analyzed. I’m a fan.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Credit to Manchin for doing the bare minimum on the tax bill. He still really sucks and the party shouldn't be throwing their full weight behind someone as regressive as he is.

The West Virginia senator doesn’t put it quite that way. But more than any other Democrat in Congress, he's positioned himself as a vocal Trump ally. In fact, the senator, up for reelection in a state Trump won by more than 40 points, told POLITICO he isn’t ruling out endorsing Trump for reelection in 2020 — a position practically unheard of for a politician with a “D” next to his name.

 

[Handyman]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Gee I wonder why so many people who run for office are rich??

Dean is someone I’ve spent time with recently and he’s great.

Yeah my gf interviewed him a few months ago and he won her over pretty quickly. Then he sent her a hand written thank you note and she kind of swooned.

I know he is a rich guy but Scooby read his whole bio he isnt your average trust fund baby looking to make a name for himself.

 

[Handyman]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Credit to Manchin for doing the bare minimum on the tax bill. He still really sucks and the party shouldn't be throwing their full weight behind someone as regressive as he is.

Yeah they should abandon him cause that makes sense.

How about the "better candidates" run and then we worry about it. Seeing as he tends to be the best of the bunch there he is what you get. I am not going to play Russian Roulette with the country just because a Senator in a Red area isnt as Progressive as some others. The party should support all candidates selected by their constituents to run unless they are crazy loonbats or criminals.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

Yeah they should abandon him cause that makes sense.

How about the "better candidates" run and then we worry about it. Seeing as he tends to be the best of the bunch there he is what you get. I am not going to play Russian Roulette with the country just because a Senator in a Red area isnt as Progressive as some others. The party should support all candidates selected by their constituents to run unless they are crazy loonbats or criminals.

The guy has a huge advantage in terms of the money and support he gets from the party, that's why he keeps winning. When you outspend your primary opponents 10:1 or something like that and get far more media coverage of course you're going to win. If the party doesn't do that you might actually have a competitive primary in which the BETTER CANDIDATE can actually win. This isn't hard to understand.

It's not about being progressive, confirming Brett Kavanaugh or saying that you support Trump is literally supporting fascism. I'll take him and his voting with Trump 60% of the time in a general election over some bigger herp a derp who votes with Trump 90% of the time but there's no reason the party should keep putting all their weight behind this guy. And perhaps if he has a close primary against a more progressive person he'll at least be forced to rethink some of his own herp-a-derp positions.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

So here's the trick with the 'best candidate'.

1) The best candidate may be subjective and the opinion of D voters differs. Does Scooby decide or Handy?
2) Perhaps there is a best candidate, but the populous misses it. If the party throws its weight behind an objectively better candidate...it could be highly criticized and lose many moderates to the GOP. It needs to be totally objective within the party for this reason.
3) If the party were to choose, who in the party would decide who is the objectively better candidate...they may not be the best judge of character or even have their own agenda.

Ultimately the goal of the party is to have someone of their own party elected. Period. Which should be the goal anyone who considers themselves supportive of liberal policies. As seen in the case of Trump, the stakes are waay too high.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

The problem is the DCCC is often choosing the worse candidates as we've seen in a number of instances. It's not that they're just sitting on the sidelines and letting the voters decide (this would be preferable), they're telling the more popular candidates to drop out of races altogether (this happened in CO when Steny Hoyer was caught on tape and it's happened in a number of other races). And as stated previously it's not that they're just bad at picking the right person to support, it's purely ideological.