SCOTUS 10: Pack the Court!

[ScoobyDoo]

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Oh, and here's what an Obama appointment wrote. Along with ****tard's tweet. Same article.

SUPREME COURT UPHOLDS TRUMP TRAVEL BAN. Wow!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) June 26, 2018

Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote in her dissent that based on the evidence in the case "a reasonable observer would conclude that the Proclamation was motivated by anti-Muslim animus."

She said her colleagues on the court arrived at the opposite result by "ignoring the facts, misconstruing our legal precedent, and turning a blind eye to the pain and suffering the Proclamation inflicts upon countless families and individuals, many of whom are United States citizens."

Gorsuch flipped the tide. Turtle Boy wins.

Rip the ****ing statue down.

 

[unofan]

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http://www.scotusblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/SB_Stat_Pack_2018.06.25.pdf

Stat pack before today. Page 5 is the most relevant. 17 5-4 decisions including the 2 today, 13 of which broke on traditional party lines. And all 13 had Kennedy siding with the conservatives. Will almost assuredly go to 14 tomorrow in the union case.

Some of that is a function of having been without a 9th justice for a year, so there was a back log of cases that were going to be split that way because if Kennedy sided with the liberals, it would've been 5-3 even down a justice. Nevertheless, it's telling.

 

[jerphisch]

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Nope. Can't do it. Until I see that people have learned the lesson, this needs to keep being beaten into the heads of anybody who blew off the last election so that they won't continue to blow off elections. Who would have thunk that giving the Republican party complete control of the government was going to be a disaster, huh? I mean, you never could have seen that coming. Not in a million years.

After Little Ralphie Nader the Fraud, I didn't expect my fellow lefties to ever fall for that BS again. President Chump and his congressional pals are going to make us long for the GWB administration and the upstanding stewardship of House Speaker/Child Molester Dennis Hastert and segregationist Senate Leader Trent Lott.

First, you know who couldn't see this coming? YOU. You are the one person here who literally didn't see this coming. You had Hillary as such a lock that you completely ruled any of this out.

Second, who specifically blew off the last election of the liberal posters on this board? I think you'll find that you are yelling at clouds (someone get the .gif) on this one. The only people here who blew off the election were righties that didn't like Trump, but were ok with the possibility he might win.

 

[trixR4kids]

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First, you know who couldn't see this coming? YOU. You are the one person here who literally didn't see this coming. You had Hillary as such a lock that you completely ruled any of this out.

Second, who specifically blew off the last election of the liberal posters on this board? I think you'll find that you are yelling at clouds (someone get the .gif) on this one. The only people here who blew off the election were righties that didn't like Trump, but were ok with the possibility he might win.

Must spread rep...

 

[Rover]

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First, you know who couldn't see this coming? YOU. You are the one person here who literally didn't see this coming. You had Hillary as such a lock that you completely ruled any of this out.

Second, who specifically blew off the last election of the liberal posters on this board? I think you'll find that you are yelling at clouds (someone get the .gif) on this one. The only people here who blew off the election were righties that didn't like Trump, but were ok with the possibility he might win.

Answering your 2nd question first, I have my suspicions but will keep that under wraps for now as there's no way of proving who did what in the voting booth.

Regarding your first comment, no one, and I mean no one, on this message board has held the entire Republican party in as much contempt for as long as I have. I was calling it a cult years and years ago when many a lefty out here still thought there was a significant chunk of reasonable people left in it, maybe even a silent majority of that party. Its a crazed, diseased, treasonous organization and always has been for as long as I can remember as the last reasonable ones left were generally from the WWII generation (Chafee Sr, etc). Beyond the opinion that she would have made a competent if not terribly exciting President, foreseeing the exact scenario that's playing out today was the primary reason I'm advocating electing Dems across the board, especially to the most important office two years ago. While you for example may already realize this, you and I and Scoobs and Kep and everybody else needs to preach this every chance we get. Any idiot claiming there's no difference between the parties and they're all corrupt corporate sellouts blah blah blah needs to be beaten senseless. Anything with an (R) next to its name on a federal level needs to be defeated. The bottom line is my fellow lefties did not take this seriously enough from 2010 on, and people are reaping the consequences of that failure. Will the left learn its lesson collectively, or not? TBD sadly, despite the Nazi tactics currently being employed.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Quote of the day.

“These 5-4 decisions remind us of the key role Justice Neil Gorsuch plays on the Supreme Court and why 81 percent of evangelicals voted for President Trump,” said Penny Nance, president of the Concerned Women for America, which filed an amicus brief in support of the pregnancy centers.

 

[Kepler]

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I think Roberts might be the most arrogant ***** that ever has been on the Court. "No view"? Your ruling is the view.

On the contrary, that is Roberts saying nigh on explicitly the Muslim ban is terrible policy. But the Court doesn't decide whether a law is stupid -- if it did, the GOP wouldn't have had a law upheld for 30 years.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Uh, this is interesting...

The Court overturned Korematsu.

ETA: It did so in an unusual way:

In the 2018 Supreme Court case Trump v. Hawaii, which reviewed President Donald Trump's authority to deny entry of foreign nationals from specific countries into the United States, Korematsu was raised in dissenting opinions. The majority opinion stated that Korematsu did not apply at all to the present case, but explicitly stated that "The dissent’s reference to Korematsu, however, affords this Court the opportunity to make express what is already obvious: Korematsu was gravely wrong the day it was decided, has been overruled in the court of history, and—to be clear—'has no place in law under the Constitution.' [citing Jackson's dissent]".[35] The decision effectively overturned Korematsu.[11]

 

[burd]

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Uh, this is interesting...

The Court overturned Korematsu.

ETA: It did so in an unusual way:

I don't understand. If the present case had nothing to do with Korematsu, that statement would be dicta, would it not?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Uh, this is interesting...

The Court overturned Korematsu.

ETA: It did so in an unusual way:

"By blindly accepting the Government's misguided invitation to sanction a discriminatory policy motivated by animosity toward a disfavored group, all in the name of a superficial claim of national security, the Court redeploys the same dangerous logic underlying Korematsu and merely replaces one gravely wrong decision with another," she said. She was joined by Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
Under normal circumstances a justice ends a dissent with "I respectfully dissent." Sotomayor said simply, "I dissent".

Sotomayer and Ginsburg's response to that mirror my own.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/poli...court-travel-ban-roberts-sotomayor/index.html

 

[dxmnkd316]

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I don't understand. If the present case had nothing to do with Korematsu, that statement would be dicta, would it not?

That's why I thought it was unusual... It was a direct reply in the opinion to a dissent.

Pretty clear there was a very bitter divide and I'm guessing the verbal arguments they had made it to paper.

 

[burd]

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That's why I thought it was unusual... It was a direct reply in the opinion to a dissent.

Pretty clear there was a very bitter divide and I'm guessing the verbal arguments they had made it to paper.

paging uno

 

[Kepler]

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Sotomayer and Ginsburg's response to that mirror my own.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/26/poli...court-travel-ban-roberts-sotomayor/index.html

Interesting. I guess the comparison to Japanese internment was just a little too on target for Roberts' conscience. He had to write the equivalent of "I can't be racist -- some of my best friends..."

When the heat is on, the Court majority almost always fails the moral test. The Roberts rulings will themselves be buried as terrible law one day when cooler heads prevail.

And then the very next time the Court is challenged they'll sacrifice the Out Group to the masses' anger and fear again.

SSDD.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Interesting. I guess the comparison to Japanese internment was just a little too on target for Roberts' conscience. He had to write the equivalent of "I can't be racist -- some of my best friends..."

When the heat is on, the Court majority almost always fails the moral test. The Roberts rulings will themselves be buried as terrible law one day when cooler heads prevail.

And then the very next time the Court is challenged they'll sacrifice the Out Group to the masses' anger and fear again.

SSDD.

I mean you can almost hear them snapping back at each other.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Interesting. I guess the comparison to Japanese internment was just a little too on target for Roberts' conscience. He had to write the equivalent of "I can't be racist -- some of my best friends..."

When the heat is on, the Court majority almost always fails the moral test. The Roberts rulings will themselves be buried as terrible law one day when cooler heads prevail.

And then the very next time the Court is challenged they'll sacrifice the Out Group to the masses' anger and fear again.

SSDD.

Yes, cause Roberts is an arrogant *****.

 

[Kepler]

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Yes, cause Roberts is an arrogant *****.

Meh. Roberts is a politician who will rule according to his partisan leanings unless he feels the Court's prestige is on the line. He's Rehnquist with more intelligence.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Meh. Roberts is a politician who will rule according to his partisan leanings unless he feels the Court's prestige is on the line. He's Rehnquist with more intelligence.

It's just Citizen's United. Completely partisan. He should have just struck down Obamacare instead of being a big *****.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Still winning.

Who needs Play-Doh?

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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WASHINGTON — Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr., reading for the majority on Tuesday morning, spoke clinically. Justice Stephen G. Breyer followed, working his way through his dissent mildly and analytically.

Then it was Justice Sonia Sotomayor’s turn.

Steely and unwavering, she began: “The United States of America is a nation built upon the promise of religious liberty. Our founders honored that core promise by embedding the principle of religious neutrality in the First Amendment.”

The crowded courthouse fell silent.

In upholding President Trump’s ban on travel from several predominantly Muslim countries, Justice Sotomayor continued, the Supreme Court had failed to “safeguard that fundamental principle.”

For the next 20 minutes, she remained resolute as she delivered an extraordinarily scorching dissent, skewering the court’s decision and condemning the ban as “harrowing” and “motivated by hostility and animus toward the Muslim faith.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/26/...ent-travel-ban.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

Good for her for calling a spade a spade. Too bad America has decided to forget it's principles time and again.

 

[St. Clown]

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Still winning.

Who needs Play-Doh?

Apparently you do, if that's all that matters to you and your Hair Furor.