Save Uah Hockey!

[bigmrg74]

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Please, again, do not compare Wayne State with UAH.

UAH was fine in the CHA, Wayne State was not. Wayne State had NO institutional support, ~200-300 people at most of their hockey games, a poor student support, and relatively bad hockey with a short time of commitment. Sure, they were near Detroit, but that's the only thing they had going for them for CCHA inclusion.

Yep. WSU never got that on campus arena that was promised to them when they started the program. And even WSU's efforts to get the Red Wings to build an arena that the Wings would use for practice and the Warriors for games was half-hearted at best.

This is all BS anyway...I'm not trying to say that people in Oxford, Ohio love grits and think soulfood is a way of life or that they all have confederate flags flying in their front yard...I'm saying physically speaking Miami-Ohio, Colorado College, Air Force and Navy are all south of the 39° 43' N parallel

I think the real question is, Do they all have a Waffel House within 10 miles of their arena's, and is one of the letters burned out?? THATS when you know you're in Da Dirrty South!!!

 

[joecct]

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This is not the last straw, no.

But how soon does the camel's back break? Right now UAH's recruiting for 10/11 (and to some extent BGSU's) is down the toilet. If this stretches out beyond the 2010 FF, the 11/12 class is in a world of hurt and at that point the UAH administration is going to need to go independent or fold the D1 program.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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They do? I don't.

My dad can beat up your dad....

The mid atlantic region is considered the south. I travel to that region a lot for work and I can tell you from first hand experience parts of that region are red neck. Obviously the closer you get to DC the less it is like that, but you can go a couple hours outside DC and it is a whole different world. I also have been to Atlanta quite a bit and the area's are similiar in a number of ways.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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My dad can beat up your dad....

The mid atlantic region is considered the south. I travel to that region a lot for work and I can tell you from first hand experience parts of that region are red neck. Obviously the closer you get to DC the less it is like that, but you can go a couple hours outside DC and it is a whole different world. I also have been to Atlanta quite a bit and the area's are similiar in a number of ways.

yeah...and you can go all over the midwest and find rednecks...

 

[scsutommyboy]

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I'm barred in the state of Maryland and live in NoVa. None of these places are in the South save maybe the Eastern Shore where 8 percent of the MD State population lives. Even that doesn't have much in common with South Carolina or Alabama. There are a lot of laws that tend to be grouped regionally and MD almost exclusively falls in line with Northeastern states. If people in MN think MD is the south, people in MN are ignorant of cultural trends here in the mid-atlantic. The "issue" here isn't whether Maryland is part of the South, its whether Virginia is following Maryland into the Northeast alignment and dragging North Carolina with it.

It is some what different than those places, but that doesn't mean it is not the south.....

 

[MikeAnderson]

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The product on the ice is not necessarily the primary concern, IMHO. The local media has been a great help in keeping people informed on the situation, and I don't believe people are going to pull their support based on another year or two of struggles there.

If it's not conference membership, then it's getting strong multi-year schedule deals done to insure viable seasons into the future.

Yes, UAH will be negatively recruited against due to their independent status. It will be no different than how they've been negatively recruited against for the past 10 years, especially with people like Wodon trying to convince the college hockey world that UAH is THIS CLOSE to calling it quit year in and year out.

Dr. Williams might be well served by pulling the trigger on the convo center. I can't see how a school that builds a rink for an independent team can be questioned on its commitment to the program.

This was written on a Blackberry. Please forgive any liberties in composition.

 

[gfmorris]

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But how soon does the camel's back break? Right now UAH's recruiting for 10/11 (and to some extent BGSU's) is down the toilet. If this stretches out beyond the 2010 FF, the 11/12 class is in a world of hurt and at that point the UAH administration is going to need to go independent or fold the D1 program.

We'll need to go independent for 10-11.

Every indication I get out of the program is that we're willing to go as an independent presuming we can get games scheduled. It's certainly not ideal.

GFM

 

[scsutommyboy]

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yeah...and you can go all over the midwest and find rednecks...

You are right you can, but the culture is different. Every major city in the north or south is a little different than the other. However, the twin cities is a lot more like Chicago than they are to Richmond VA. Just like Atlanta is a lot more like Richmond, VA than Chicago is. I am not even trying to say one is better than the other, but they are way different. If you have spent any amount of time in these places you would see what I am talking about.

Keep in mind I am not including DC here. That town has it's own crazy side that is unlike any where I have ever been.

 

[BoomGoestheDynamite]

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It is some what different than those places, but that doesn't mean it is not the south.....

Most of the state population lives in the BosWash corridor, the basic definition of the urbanized Northeast. Why are people in Minnesota bent on telling me what culture the region I call home is a part of?

Nine Nations of North America and the Day America Told the Truth. give much better definitions of cultural regions in the US than some insistence on ignoring the past 200 years.

As for the actual purpose of the thread, can UAH survive as an independent beyond say 2012. While I like the Chargers, the only point on entry they'll have to the NCAA tournament is as an at large bid that no CHA (or AHA) team has ever received. I don't know if this would kill recruiting, but it will make it very hard to win any battles for players.

 

[fangers]

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But how soon does the camel's back break? Right now UAH's recruiting for 10/11 (and to some extent BGSU's) is down the toilet. If this stretches out beyond the 2010 FF, the 11/12 class is in a world of hurt and at that point the UAH administration is going to need to go independent or fold the D1 program.

Couple key criteria I'd think:

* the number of games they can schedule

* the quality of the teams they can schedule

* BG's status (after the September update that's been mentioned)

 

[joecct]

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Couple key criteria I'd think:

* the number of games they can schedule

* the quality of the teams they can schedule

* BG's status (after the September update that's been mentioned)

Let's say that the UAH administration bites the bullet and goes independent for 10/11.

Let's say UAH schedules the bottom feeders of college hockey in home/away scenarios and goes something like 25-9 for the regular season. Think they have a shot at the tournament or will SOS kill them?

 

[MikeAnderson]

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Let's say that the UAH administration bites the bullet and goes independent for 10/11.

Let's say UAH schedules the bottom feeders of college hockey in home/away scenarios and goes something like 25-9 for the regular season. Think they have a shot at the tournament or will SOS kill them?

1) Ok.

2) Ok.

3) SoS will likely kill them, given your assumptions. However, I don't see them scheduling strictly "bottom feeders." That has not been their past, that will not be their future.

 

[fangers]

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IMHO, the quality/strength of the teams who step up and agree to work with UAH on schedules will speak volumes as to UAH's longer term chances. It's one thing to say publically "man that stinks about not getting in the CCHA", "hate to lose a team", "we support UAH", etc. etc. But when the rubber hits the road, are those same folks willing to work to get them on their schedule? Guess we'll know soon enough...

 

[scsutommyboy]

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Most of the state population lives in the BosWash corridor, the basic definition of the urbanized Northeast. Why are people in Minnesota bent on telling me what culture the region I call home is a part of?

Nine Nations of North America and the Day America Told the Truth. give much better definitions of cultural regions in the US than some insistence on ignoring the past 200 years.

As for the actual purpose of the thread, can UAH survive as an independent beyond say 2012. While I like the Chargers, the only point on entry they'll have to the NCAA tournament is as an at large bid that no CHA (or AHA) team has ever received. I don't know if this would kill recruiting, but it will make it very hard to win any battles for players.

Nobody is bent over it. Why are you fighting over if it is or is not the south? I agree southern maryland is a lot different than the DC area and northern Maryland. My other post stated that.

 

[cooperalls]

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For the people on this board that keep talking about location. Location does not matter here what matters is what league does UAB best fit in.

I mean look at some of the comments whether or not they should play a team that isn't even at the D1 level yet. But if it is a matter of location CCHA is just as crazy logic and I understand that Bowling Green, Miami, and Ohio State, and Notre Dame would be the closest opponents all under 10 hours but the better fit for a league is Atlantic Hockey and playing those teams as non-conference games. Get over it CCHA did not let you in. They need to get in to a league quickly because I think being an indendent will ultimately ruin the program unless a league tells them soon that they will take them by a certain year. Atlantic Hockey = Saving UAB Hockey!

So... By this outstanding logic and 1750s folksy talk, you're going to tell me that Maryland and Alabama should be teamed up because the Mason-Dixon line says so, regardless of where they're actually located - have I got that right?

 

[MaizeRage]

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We'll need to go independent for 10-11.

Every indication I get out of the program is that we're willing to go as an independent presuming we can get games scheduled. It's certainly not ideal.

GFM

Presuming they can do something they've never been able to do before. UAH has had something like three major non-conference opponents go to Alabama in the last five or six years. There's no way they're going to be able to schedule enough home games to survive, unless they can keep drawing crowds to watch UAH blow out bad club teams.

I really can't see them lasting more than a year or two as an independent.

 

[scsutommyboy]

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IMHO, the quality/strength of the teams who step up and agree to work with UAH on schedules will speak volumes as to UAH's longer term chances. It's one thing to say publically "man that stinks about not getting in the CCHA", "hate to lose a team", "we support UAH", etc. etc. But when the rubber hits the road, are those same folks willing to work to get them on their schedule? Guess we'll know soon enough...

If they don't get at least a scheduling alliance soon they might as well fold up. They should be begging to get some of those open 2010 CCHA dates.

 

[The Paragon of Virtue]

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Many younger posters on this message bored never even studied WW2 let alone the Civil War. So I guess I can understand your opinion.

I didn't study the Civil War? What in the world war was that then? Did we accidentally go over the War of the Roses?

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

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For the people on this board that keep talking about location. Location does not matter here what matters is what league does UAB best fit in.

I mean look at some of the comments whether or not they should play a team that isn't even at the D1 level yet. But if it is a matter of location CCHA is just as crazy logic and I understand that Bowling Green, Miami, and Ohio State, and Notre Dame would be the closest opponents all under 10 hours but the better fit for a league is Atlantic Hockey and playing those teams as non-conference games. Get over it CCHA did not let you in. They need to get in to a league quickly because I think being an indendent will ultimately ruin the program unless a league tells them soon that they will take them by a certain year. Atlantic Hockey = Saving UAB Hockey!

If UAB hockey existed in the first place, this might all be a non-issue. As it is, UAH is just up the creek.

 

[wsp67326]

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While I like the Chargers, the only point on entry they'll have to the NCAA tournament is as an at large bid that no CHA (or AHA) team has ever received.

Actually, Niagara received an at-large bid years ago and upset UNH in the tournament.

As for this Maryland/South stuff, being a native Marylander, and having lived in the South for the vast majority of my life, I can attest that those of us from Maryland are considered southern by those north of the M-D line, and Yankees by those south of said line.

As for H'ville, it certainly has its southern roots, no question, but, having a strong high-tech industry base as well, not to mention the influx of the German scientists after WWII as well as the transplant of engineers from all around the country thereafter has created an interesting and unique southern city. Everyone from the other conference schools should come down and visit, particularly to see the Chargers at the VBS, and particularly this coming season. Ya'll would enjoy it, I assure you.