Rules Changes for 2010-11

[Alton]

Re: Rules Changes for 2010-11

And the funny thing (and how out of touch Athletic Directors are from their own staff) is that Dallas Ferguson, Alaska's Head Coach was adamantly leading the charge AGAINST this rule.

Yes, but we don't know whether Forrest Karr supported or opposed this rule. The job of the chairman of a committee like this, that meets in secret to make "political" decisions, is to keep the internal debate and divisions confidential, and to support whatever decision the committee makes, whether he was for it or against it.

I really do think this is a case where the Men's D-I people were outvoted.

 

[sbkbghockey]

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Sorry, but I'm with these two:



First, there is this concern about "losing" the battle against major jr. right now. Sure, it may seem like a little thing, but why give them any amunition, where those teams might use something against you?

And, quickly, more fights? Seriously? What do you think does more to prevent fights - full shields or auto game dq's?

I agree that the more concerning thing about the half shield is slap shots! just as Laperierre about those. The argument the players play Jrs with the half shields and then go back to cages in College is not that big of an argument, fist not all the Jr. Players switch to cages. second I've played mostly with cages but have tried the half shield and the sightline differences everyone talks about are very minimal.

And with the fights- yeah i do, it's about 50-50 auto game dq's and full cages/shields! It could be a benefit or disadvantage- if college hockey goes to half shields we're going to see more fights!!

 

[aparch]

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if college hockey goes to half shields we're going to see more fights!!

And then more kids are going to be sitting out one game. then two games, then four games...

They'll learn awfully quick that either they keep getting into the fights and sit for longer, or to calm it down and continue to play.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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The cages have also wrought "grasping the face mask". If anything, I would think that would cause some serious injuries to the neck, and it gives the players "something to grab onto" when instigating a tussle. Half shields or cages, the helmets will still more than likely have chin straps that are equally as effective. Half shields will lessen the chances of neck injury, will teach the players to be more alert and keep their heads up, and will garner respect across the ice hockey student-athletes.

 

[sbkbghockey]

Re: Rules Changes for 2010-11

The cages have also wrought "grasping the face mask". If anything, I would think that would cause some serious injuries to the neck, and it gives the players "something to grab onto" when instigating a tussle. Half shields or cages, the helmets will still more than likely have chin straps that are equally as effective. Half shields will lessen the chances of neck injury, will teach the players to be more alert and keep their heads up, and will garner respect across the ice hockey student-athletes.

I guess that could be an argument for shields vs cages. I've played hockey at various levels and been a hockey fan, radio broadcaster, photographer, etc... and other levels (with, a mix, and without cages) and I've never seen or experienced someone grabbing onto the cage. Just outta curiosity have you ever seen that? I try to expect the unexpected (seen some great comebacks, etc...) so I wouldn't say it never happens but I'm fairly certain that's not a widespread problem i.e. football.

And then more kids are going to be sitting out one game. then two games, then four games...

They'll learn awfully quick that either they keep getting into the fights and sit for longer, or to calm it down and continue to play.

The bigger problem than fights and one that has the worse injuries was touched on in a post earlier- defensive play- blocking shots! But also other plays like going to the front of the net. And sometimes even through the neutral zone a puck will get deflected up.

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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I guess that could be an argument for shields vs cages. I've played hockey at various levels and been a hockey fan, radio broadcaster, photographer, etc... and other levels (with, a mix, and without cages) and I've never seen or experienced someone grabbing onto the cage. Just outta curiosity have you ever seen that? I try to expect the unexpected (seen some great comebacks, etc...) so I wouldn't say it never happens but I'm fairly certain that's not a widespread problem i.e. football.



The bigger problem than fights and one that has the worse injuries was touched on in a post earlier- defensive play- blocking shots! But also other plays like going to the front of the net. And sometimes even through the neutral zone a puck will get deflected up.

I see grasping of the facemask in DIII quite a bit, albeit not as much as in football. I don't think I've ever seen it called during play, but I see it a lot in after-the-whistle tussles, usually as a way to try to start a fight. Sometimes the ref will call just the facemask penalty, sometimes they'll call coincidental minors, and then the really dumb refs we get in DIII will call something ludicrous on the guy whose facemask got grabbed...

...but yes, it happens more than you'd think.

 

[IrishHockeyFan]

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And with the fights- yeah i do, it's about 50-50 auto game dq's and full cages/shields! It could be a benefit or disadvantage- if college hockey goes to half shields we're going to see more fights!!

I don't think evidence exists to support this at all. I was around before there was any facial protection required, and no whistles when you lost your lid (and helmets 3 and four generations previous were laughable as compared to those worn now as to protecting the head anyway) and fighting was still quite rare. There were a few all out donnybrooks in the 70s and 80s but I think the culture of the game itself is a little different and that's why even those are non-existent now. The game DQ -- and more importantly the escalating nature of them -- is what keeps fights and fighting majors to just a handful a year. I would be shocked if there were more than a couple in the entire CCHA last season.

 

[IrishHockeyFan]

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I guess that could be an argument for shields vs cages. I've played hockey at various levels and been a hockey fan, radio broadcaster, photographer, etc... and other levels (with, a mix, and without cages) and I've never seen or experienced someone grabbing onto the cage. Just outta curiosity have you ever seen that? I try to expect the unexpected (seen some great comebacks, etc...) so I wouldn't say it never happens but I'm fairly certain that's not a widespread problem i.e. football.

Seen it enough to remember it. Also saw the 5 minute major called last season as it was a new area of emphasis by the NCAA. I believe I saw it called twice just in Notre Dame games alone last season. I think a little face washing is more common than out and out grabbing (or grasping as I believe that's the word the NCAA uses to describe the offending action), but that still either goes without much penalizing, or they dish out a 2 minute minor, despite the fact the point of emphasis calls for face washing to be a major.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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I guess that could be an argument for shields vs cages. I've played hockey at various levels and been a hockey fan, radio broadcaster, photographer, etc... and other levels (with, a mix, and without cages) and I've never seen or experienced someone grabbing onto the cage. Just outta curiosity have you ever seen that? I try to expect the unexpected (seen some great comebacks, etc...) so I wouldn't say it never happens but I'm fairly certain that's not a widespread problem i.e. football.



The bigger problem than fights and one that has the worse injuries was touched on in a post earlier- defensive play- blocking shots! But also other plays like going to the front of the net. And sometimes even through the neutral zone a puck will get deflected up.

Grasping the face mask, and also some "Facewashing", was called at RPI games several times. I think it's probably common in some of the eastern leagues (thanks for the report on D-3, Cards) because we still like to have our extra-curricular activity, and usually it will be used as a fighting loophole so as only to give the players involved a game misconduct rather than suspend them. The gloves never come off.

In ECAC Hockey, we block shots ALL THE TIME! Padding I'm sure has probably improved to the point where it's expected that you're going to block shots, so you get protection from that. It's not like just the simple shoulder pads and chest protector you'd see (based upon rough video from when Rob Ray would fight before his rule).

That's the one nice thing about a sport with a rules committee: The game can change as the physical abilities of players evolve. Some changes may be for the bad (*coughshorthandicing*), but there are some good things, like the padding, and other protection evolutions. The happy medium is where we strive to be.

 

[unhpuckfan2001]

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As I try to get caught up with the boards, I have a stupid question . . .

The 'short handed' icing rule . . . was that across the NCAA, or just in WCHA / CCHA?

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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As I try to get caught up with the boards, I have a stupid question . . .

The 'short handed' icing rule . . . was that across the NCAA, or just in WCHA / CCHA?

The rule is for all exhibition games in all leagues.

If I go to RPI's exhibition game, I will bring a hard hat, given our coach's opinion on team strategy with regards to this rule.

 

[state of hockey]

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The rule is for all exhibition games in all leagues.

If I go to RPI's exhibition game, I will bring a hard hat, given our coach's opinion on team strategy with regards to this rule.

He shouldn't have made it public. Probably going to get slammed with a delay of game thus making you down two players.

 

[burgie12]

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He shouldn't have made it public. Probably going to get slammed with a delay of game thus making you down two players.

Appert also made a statement that the team would alternatively ice the puck anyways, and the four men on the ice would just take a knee in the defensive zone, as opposed to actually chasing the puck.