RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Of the 45 players previously protected by the Stars that I highlighted in this blog article, all but six are here at camp. Those six missing are: (D) Austin Cho, (F) Michael Floodstrand, (F) Jacob Harris, (D) Michael Prapavessis, (D) Liam Schioler, and (F) Kyle Weller. Floodstrand will play for Team USA U-18 next season, while Prapavessis will be attending RPI.....http://www.lincolnstarsblog.com/

It's too bad that Cho isn't going to Lincoln next year since he would be a lot easier for me to track. OTOH, I can't fault someone at all for wanting to graduate HS with his class.

 

[fishcore12]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

With the recent announcement of recruits for this season, I just want to take a second and thank Ralph and turk181 for all the hard work they put into this thread. It has given me much reading material and useful information to share with my college hockey loving friends.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

There are a number of changes from their teams from last year's websites. They also gave DM two extra assists.

Speaking of assists-i really wish they would list them as either primary or secondary assists. It helps me a bit to know if the goal scored was a direct result of an assist/pass or whether the assist was granted and the player involved was 100 feet from the play. Perhaps belongs on our regular thread-but it pertains to recruits in that it really helps me to know how involved a recruit is in the scoring far better. For example-If DM has 50 assists and 40 of them are primary-I would have a far greater appreciation for his ability to set up goal scoring for us in the future. Just one of my rambling musings.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Speaking of assists-i really wish they would list them as either primary or secondary assists. It helps me a bit to know if the goal scored was a direct result of an assist/pass or whether the assist was granted and the player involved was 100 feet from the play. Perhaps belongs on our regular thread-but it pertains to recruits in that it really helps me to know how involved a recruit is in the scoring far better. For example-If DM has 50 assists and 40 of them are primary-I would have a far greater appreciation for his ability to set up goal scoring for us in the future. Just one of my rambling musings.

I agree but it probably averages out.

 

[turk181]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Speaking of assists-i really wish they would list them as either primary or secondary assists. It helps me a bit to know if the goal scored was a direct result of an assist/pass or whether the assist was granted and the player involved was 100 feet from the play. Perhaps belongs on our regular thread-but it pertains to recruits in that it really helps me to know how involved a recruit is in the scoring far better. For example-If DM has 50 assists and 40 of them are primary-I would have a far greater appreciation for his ability to set up goal scoring for us in the future. Just one of my rambling musings.

I agree but it probably averages out.

.....there’s your summer’s assignment RB

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

.....there’s your summer’s assignment RB

I will leave it to Dr D.

 

[jmhusker]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

I agree but it probably averages out.

I can guarantee that it does not. #G>#PA>#SA! I'm surprised that Ralph of all people wouldn't have realized that. And beyond that, the secondary assist can sometimes be the pass that really made the play. Goals on rebounds can be good examples of this - beautiful pass, shot, great save and in comes a 3rd player to pick up the trash.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

I can guarantee that it does not. #G>#PA>#SA! I'm surprised that Ralph of all people wouldn't have realized that. And beyond that, the secondary assist can sometimes be the pass that really made the play. Goals on rebounds can be good examples of this - beautiful pass, shot, great save and in comes a 3rd player to pick up the trash.

Then normalize each by the corresponding total number by the team.

I agree that sometimes secondary assists are very important. Hockey is full of stats that are not all that meaningful GWGs for example. Sometimes they are very meaningful, but sometimes they are not. The total number of GWGs by a player has some meaning after a long time period.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

I will leave it to Dr D.

Ralph: Really wish you would not do that. Numbers and formulae have just not been my thing for a long time. I do however know what the S&P and Dow numbers are. Glad though that you and JM respoonded with some interesting thoughts on the subject. I just always felt goals were a simple stat-you put it into the net and you get the point. Assists just come in some many different varieties that they are often hard to quantify. I have had this conversation with a few professionals who scout young hockey players and find most of them have their own rating systems looking for quality shifts on the ice and discount some of the things that many of us look at so frequently. BTW, the ones i have spoken with think we have a rather nice combination of recruits coming to Troy.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Ralph: Really wish you would not do that. Numbers and formulae have just not been my thing for a long time. I do however know what the S&P and Dow numbers are. Glad though that you and JM respoonded with some interesting thoughts on the subject. I just always felt goals were a simple stat-you put it into the net and you get the point. Assists just come in some many different varieties that they are often hard to quantify. I have had this conversation with a few professionals who scout young hockey players and find most of them have their own rating systems looking for quality shifts on the ice and discount some of the things that many of us look at so frequently. BTW, the ones i have spoken with think we have a rather nice combination of recruits coming to Troy.

Their systems are probably much more useful than the current stats.

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Their systems are probably much more useful than the current stats.

Having attended games with some I can tell you that they watch a game totally differently than I ever have. Often they are totally disonterested in the things i see and focus on things that i do not even notice much less understand.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Ralph: Really wish you would not do that. Numbers and formulae have just not been my thing for a long time. I do however know what the S&P and Dow numbers are. Glad though that you and JM respoonded with some interesting thoughts on the subject. I just always felt goals were a simple stat-you put it into the net and you get the point. Assists just come in some many different varieties that they are often hard to quantify. I have had this conversation with a few professionals who scout young hockey players and find most of them have their own rating systems looking for quality shifts on the ice and discount some of the things that many of us look at so frequently. BTW, the ones i have spoken with think we have a rather nice combination of recruits coming to Troy.

I tend to agree Doc. And for the record, we have have a 6'3 195lb freshman forward headed our way ...I expect a HECKUVA lot more excitement and positivity out if you! )

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

I tend to agree Doc. And for the record, we have have a 6'3 195lb freshman forward headed our way ...I expect a HECKUVA lot more excitement and positivity out if you! )

Can he skate?

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

weekly posts

 # Name                Ps commitm. Team (League)                   Year  DOB      Ht    Wt  Hometown           
28 Bradley Bell *      LD 09/23/13 Sudbury Nickel Barons (NOJHL)   2014  05/26/96 5'11" 185 Sudbury, ON
27 Todd Burgess        RW 04/14/14 Fairbanks Ice Dogs (NAHL)       15/16 04/03/96 6'02" 195 Phoenix, AZ
19 Austin Cho          LD 02/24/14 St. Andrews College (CISAA|MPHL)2016  05/19/97 6'00" 175 Mississauga, ON
16 Carlos Fornaris      C 02/13/13 Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL) 2015  02/17/95 5'08" 157 Miami, FL
87 Kenny Gillespie *   RW 04/24/14 Jersey Hitmen (USPHL)           2014  12/01/93 6'01" 211 Fuquay Varina, NC
12 Jacob Hayhurst       C 02/13/14 Toronto Lakeshore Patriots(OJHL)2016  01/20/97 5'08" 160 Mississauga, ON
17 Viktor Liljegren    LW 04/14/14 Fairbanks Ice Dogs (NAHL)       2014  04/28/94 6'03" 195 Stockholm, Sweden
22 Charlie Manley *    LD 12/19/11 Austin Bruins (NAHL)            2015  07/16/96 5'09" 175 Orchard Park, NY
25 Drew Melanson #*    LW 01/28/11 Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)     2014  01/10/95 5'11" 170 Paramus, NJ
 8 Meirs Moore *       LD 05/20/13 Fargo Force (USHL)              2015  12/04/94 5'08" 187 Duluth, MN
 9 Louis Nanne *       LC 11/28/13 Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL)     2014  06/18/94 5'10" 162 Edina, MN
77 Michael Prapavessis#*LD02/02/13 Toronto Lakeshore Patriots(OJHL)2014  01/07/96 6'01" 180 Oakville, ON
23 Alex Rodriguez      RW 03/12/14 Shattuck-St. Mary's Prep        2015  12/15/95 5'11" 175 Miami, FL
15 Evan Tironese       LW 05/01/12 Green Bay Gamblers (USHL)       2015  08/02/95 5'08" 160 Qualicum Beach, BC
 9 Jared Wilson *      LD 09/19/13 Vernon Vipers (BCHL)            2014  08/27/94 6'03" 190 Calgary, AB 
31 Alec Dillon          G 09/22/13 Victoria Grizzlies (BCHL)       2015  05/05/96 6'05" 170 Victoria, BC


Women
76 Jaimie Grigsby       F 04/15/14 Whitby Wolves (PWHL)            2015  04/18/97 5'09" 140 Whitby, ON
 6 Josefine Hansen    D/F 12/19/13 Shattuck-St Mary's Prep         2015  01/24/97 5'02" 119 Princeton Junction, NJ
21 Amanda Kimmerle #*   D 08/15/13 Anoka H.S. (Northwest Suburban) 2014  04/14/96 5'08" xxx Anoka, MN
44 Ana Orzechowski      D 01/10/14 Little Caesars U19 (HPHL)       2015  12/24/96 5'06' xxx Tonawanda, NY
12 Marisa Raspa *       F 01/29/14 NAHA White                      2014  02/17/96 5'02' xxx Downington, PA
 4 Whitney Renn *       F 12/18/13 Little Caesars U19 (HPHL)       2014  01/16/9x 5'06" xxx Troy, MI
18 Makenna Thomas       F 04/15/14 Chicago Young Americans         2015  07/12/97 5'06" 145 Hartland, WI
10 Shayna Tomlinson *   F 04/08/13 St Paul's School (Keller)       2014  xx/xx/95 5'06" xxx Gilford, NH
37 Lovisa Selander      G 04/15/14 SDE Hockey                      2015  03/14/96 5'10" 126 Sollentuna?, Sweden

* In the RPI directory
# Known to have signed Letter of Intent
The years the men's recruits are listed as committed for are not necessarily accurate.
The dates on which some of the women are listed as committing on may be considerably after the actual dates.

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

 # Name                Ps Team (League)                      Gm- G- A-  P- PM Next Gm
28 Bradley Bell        LD Sudbury Nickel Barons (NOJHL)      38-11-11- 22- 16 
                          playoffs                            4- 0- 5-  5-  2 
                          total                              42-11-16- 27- 18 
27 Todd Burgess        RW Fairbanks Ice Dogs (NAHL)          39- 5-11- 16- 16
                          playoffs                           13- 1- 3-  4-  6 
                          total                              52- 6-14- 20- 22 
19 Austin Cho          LD St. Andrews College (CISAA|MPHL)   52-13-33- 46- 24 
16 Carlos Fornaris      C Cedar Rapids Roughriders (USHL)    41- 6- 7- 13- 55 
87 Kenny Gillespie     RW Jersey Hitmen (USPHL)              42-14-17- 31- 93
                          showcases                           3- 0- 0-  0-  2
                          playoffs                            6- 1- 2-  3-  6
                          total                              51-15-19- 34-101 
12 Jacob Hayhurst       C Toronto Lakeshore Patriots (OJHL)  48-13-19- 32- 40 
                          playoffs                           19- 7- 5- 12- 12 
                          Dudley-Hewitt Cup                   5- 1- 3-  4-  2
                          Royal Bank Cup                      4- 1- 1-  2-  0 
                          total                              76-22-28- 50- 54 
17 Viktor Liljegren    LW Fairbanks Ice Dogs (NAHL)          54-18-27- 45- 55
                          playoffs                           14- 5- 3-  8-  4 
                          total                              68-23-30- 53- 59 
22 Charlie Manley      LD Austin Bruins (NAHL)               46- 1- 3-  4- 10
                          playoffs                           12- 0- 2-  2-  2 
                          total                              58- 1- 5-  6- 12 
27 Drew Melanson       LW Omaha Lancers (USHL)                2- 0- 0-  0-  0 traded
25                        Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)        57-17-27- 44- 16
                          playoffs                           12- 5- 6- 11-  8 
                          total                              71-22-33- 55- 24 
23 Meirs Moore         LD Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)       11- 0- 0-  0-  4 traded
 8                        Fargo Force (USHL)                 40- 4- 6- 10- 34
                          total                              52- 4- 6- 10- 38 
 9 Louis Nanne         LC Sioux Falls Stampede (USHL)        37- 4- 5-  9- 12 
                          playoffs                            3- 1- 0-  1-  0 
                          total                              40- 5- 5- 10- 12 
77 Michael Prapavessis LD Toronto Lakeshore Patriots (OJHL)  47- 5-49- 54-  2
                          playoffs                           19- 2-13- 15-  4 
                          Dudley-Hewitt Cup                   5- 2- 3-  5-  4
                          Royal Bank Cup                      4- 2- 1-  3-  0 
                          total                              75-11-66- 77- 10 
23 Alex Rodriguez      RW Shattuck-St. Mary's Prep           53-23-41- 64- 26 
15 Evan Tironese       LW Green Bay Gamblers (USHL)          56-10-28- 38-125
                          playoffs                            4- 0- 0-  0-  4 
                          total                              60-10-28- 38-129 
27 Jared Wilson        LD Alberni Valley Bulldogs (BCHL)      9- 3- 5-  8- 26 traded
 9                        Vernon Vipers (BCHL)               48- 5-23- 28- 66 
                          playoffs                           17- 0- 6-  6-  8 
                          Royal Bank Cup                      5- 0- 1-  1-  0
                          total                              79- 8-35- 43-100 
31 Alec Dillon          G Victoria Grizzlies (BCHL)      33-21- 7-2-2.76-.910
                          playoffs                        9- 4- 4-0-2.56-.908
                          total                          42-25-11-2-2.73-.909 

Women
76 Jaime Grigsby        F Whitby Wolves (PWHL)               36- 9- 8- 17-  2
                          tournaments                        16- 5- 6- 11-  0
                          playoffs                            9- 4- 2-  6-  2
                          exhibitions                         5- 2- 0-  2-  2
                          provincials                         5- 1- 1-  2-  0
                          total                              72-21-17- 38-  6 
 6 Josefine Hansen    D/F Shattuck-St. Mary's Prep           42- 1- 8-  9- 10 missing game
21 Amanda Kimmerle      D Anoka H.S. (Northwest Suburban)    25- 2- 8- 10- 16 
                          sectionals                          1- 0- 0-  0-  0 
                          total                              26- 2- 8- 10- 16 
44 Ana Orzechowski      D Little Caesars U19 (HPHL)          10- 1- 5-  6- 16
                          also many non-league games
12 Marisa Raspa         F NAHA White                         78- 6- 9- 15- 24 
 4 Whitney Renn         F Little Caesars U19 (HPHL)           9- 4- 2-  6-  4
                          also many non-league games
18 Makenna Thomas       F Chicago Young Americans             0- 0- 0-  0-  0 missing stats
10 Shayna Tomlinson     F St Paul's School (Keller)          24-30-25- 55-  ?
                          playoffs                            2- 2- 0-  2-  0 
                          total                              26-32-25- 57-  ?
37 Lovisa Selander      G SDE Hockey                     13- X- X-X-1.17-.959

 

[FlagDUDE08]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Having attended games with some I can tell you that they watch a game totally differently than I ever have. Often they are totally disonterested in the things i see and focus on things that i do not even notice much less understand.

Amen to this. I remember at Youngstown/Dubuque wondering why they picked Chris Bradley, and didn't quite understand. So I told myself, never mind the plays that get crowds reeling, and instead take a look at the players and what they're doing the rest of the time, and that's one of the reasons I knew Jake Wood would be successful, because his off the puck play is terrific. It's also the reason why I thought RB would have some room for improvement. Didn't get a chance to watch any of the incoming frosh play this year, maybe next time.

 

[Wicked Slappaahs]

Can he skate?

I haven't seen him play. But the comments I've read mentioned "excellent speed for his size", "ability to find open ice", and "skating ability". Being a product of Sweden, my WAG is yes ,he can skate.

 

[herbst20]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

Rodriguez is in Sioux City's camp and made the all star game

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

I haven't seen him play. But the comments I've read mentioned "excellent speed for his size", "ability to find open ice", and "skating ability". Being a product of Sweden, my WAG is yes ,he can skate.

Since he is indeed Sewdish-I would just like to meet his sisters.(Please do not let Jenny see this post)

 

[DrDemento]

Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2013-14 (Part III)

I tend to agree Doc. And for the record, we have have a 6'3 195lb freshman forward headed our way ...I expect a HECKUVA lot more excitement and positivity out if you! )

The excitement and positivity from me will return-I can promise that. It is just going to take a little time. 2014 has just been deifficult for us so far. Even though i have hnot been able to bring myself to post much since February, I have a very good feeling about this group of recruits and some very interesting observations from those who know far more than I could ever learn. We will most definitely have size and speed. My only concern is how all of this will get integrated. So much will depend on the meshing together of the talent we are getting and what we already have.