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RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

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Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Wicked Slappaahs said:
I'm not at all worried about his size. Plenty of examples of kids his size and smaller who are excelling in the ECAC -- JL, Calof, Jones brothers, Spink brothers, etc.
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It's not the height part that concerns me as much as his build. Aren't most of the others whom you mentioned stocky? That would also pertain to Tironese.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Ralph Baer said:
Code: 
 # Name                Ps commitm. Team (League)                   Year  DOB      Ht    Wt  Hometown             Gm- G- A-  P- PM Next Gm
23 Riley Bourbonnais * LC 09/18/11 Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 2013  08/08/93 5'10" 190 Rochester NY         17- 7- 9- 16-  8 traded
23                                 Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)                                                  11- 7- 4- 10- 20 01/04/13
                                                                                            total                28-14-13- 26- 28 
20 Jimmy DeVito        RW 01/10/12 Lincoln Stars (USHL)            2013  04/02/94 5'10" 165 Bloomingdale IL      28- 3- 3-  6- 73 01/05/13
22 Charles Manley      LD 12/19/11 Selects Hockey Academy (USEHL)  2014  07/15/96 5'07" 150 Orchard Park NY       0- 0- 0-  0-  0 01/12/13 no stats
26                                 Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)                                                    4- 0- 2-  2-  2
27 Drew Melanson #*    LW 01/28/11 Omaha Lancers (USHL)            2013  01/10/95 5'10" 160 Paramus NJ           27- 5- 6- 11-  2 01/04/13
 5 Parker Reno #       RD 11/12/12 Edina H.S.(Lake Conf)           2013  01/20/95 6'01" 195 Edina, MN            13- 1-10- 11-  8 01/05/13
15 Evan Tironese       LW 05/01/12 Alberni Valley Bulldogs (BCHL)  2014  08/02/95 5'09" 163 Qualicum Beach BC    30-10-18- 28- 28 01/05/13
26 Jake Wood #*        LW 01/10/11 Lincoln Stars (USHL)            2013  08/06/93 5'07" 160 Georgetown ON        28- 7- 9- 16- 76 01/05/13
Women
11 Hannah Behounek #*   D 06/01/12 Minnetonka H.S. (Lake Conf)     2013  xx/xx/9x x'xx" xxx Minnetonka, MN       13- 3- 3-  6-  4 01/04/13
15 Laura Horwood *      F 11/29/12 Durham West Lightning (PWHL)    2013  05/20/95 5'06" 135 Belleville, ON       22-12- 9- 21- 18 01/12/13
                                                                                            nonleague games      18-12-12- 24-  x
                                                                                            total                40-24-21- 45-  x
15                                 Ontario Team Blue                                                              5- 0- 1-  1-  0 
13 Katie Rooney *       F 08/05/12 Buffalo H.S. (Mississippi 8)    2013  xx/xx/9x x'xx" xxx Buffalo, MN          14-22-18- 39-  6 01/04/13

* In the RPI directory
# Known to have signed Letter of Intent
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You know, I just noticed... How does someone have 10 points after getting 7 goals and 4 assists? ;) (Hint: the player I saw last week that played on the visiting team)
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Wicked Slappaahs said:
I'm not at all worried about his size. Plenty of examples of kids his size and smaller who are excelling in the ECAC -- JL, Calof, Jones brothers, Spink brothers, etc.
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I have had the opportunity to see him without the pads. His height is no problem-he is just realtively thin. But then again so was Brad Tapper when he came in as a freshman. And he did just fine in his 3 years and was one of our boys to get to play in the big time for a spell.;)
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

DrDemento said:
I have had the opportunity to see him without the pads. His height is no problem-he is just realtively thin. But then again so was Brad Tapper when he came in as a freshman. And he did just fine in his 3 years and was one of our boys to get to play in the big time for a spell.;)
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Good point that Tapper has a similar build. The differences are that Tapper was taller and played a physical game which Melanson doesn't.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Ralph Baer said:
Good point that Tapper has a similar build. The differences are that Tapper was taller and played a physical game which Melanson doesn't.
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Tapper had a lot of things including just fearlessly getting near the crease and willingness to take a hit to get into position to score. Although listed at 180+ for most of his time at RPI, I can attest that was a high estimate. He did of course possess that Tapper temper-something you just can't teach, and was never afraid to spend some time in the box for some nastiness. Melanson does not display any of that. But he is much more unselfish on the ice and will pass up ashot (perhaps a bit too often) to set up a teammate for a better chance. Only time will tell how he fits into the SA scheme of things.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Bourbonnais and Melanson are playing today. After 2 periods Bourbonnais has a minor penalty for slashing. I'll post the summaries in the AM.
 
Ralph Baer said:
It's not the height part that concerns me as much as his build. Aren't most of the others whom you mentioned stocky? That would also pertain to Tironese.
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Nope. None of those kids are stocky. Calof is smaller than JL. In fact , Melanson is as tall or taller than all of em
 
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Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Code: 
 # Name                Ps commitm. Team (League)                   Year  DOB      Ht    Wt  Hometown             Gm- G- A-  P- PM Next Gm
23 Riley Bourbonnais * LC 09/18/11 Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 2013  08/08/93 5'10" 190 Rochester NY         17- 7- 9- 16-  8 traded
23                                 Sioux City Musketeers (USHL)                                                  12- 7- 4- 10- 24 01/05/13
                                                                                            total                29-14-13- 26- 32
20 Jimmy DeVito        RW 01/10/12 Lincoln Stars (USHL)            2013  04/02/94 5'10" 165 Bloomingdale IL      28- 3- 3-  6- 73 01/05/13
22 Charles Manley      LD 12/19/11 Selects Hockey Academy (USEHL)  2014  07/15/96 5'07" 150 Orchard Park NY       0- 0- 0-  0-  0 01/12/13 no stats
26                                 Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL)                                                    4- 0- 2-  2-  2
27 Drew Melanson #*    LW 01/28/11 Omaha Lancers (USHL)            2013  01/10/95 5'10" 160 Paramus NJ           28- 5- 6- 11-  2 01/05/13
 5 Parker Reno #       RD 11/12/12 Edina H.S.(Lake Conf)           2013  01/20/95 6'01" 195 Edina, MN            13- 1-10- 11-  8 01/05/13
15 Evan Tironese       LW 05/01/12 Alberni Valley Bulldogs (BCHL)  2014  08/02/95 5'09" 163 Qualicum Beach BC    30-10-18- 28- 28 01/05/13
26 Jake Wood #*        LW 01/10/11 Lincoln Stars (USHL)            2013  08/06/93 5'07" 160 Georgetown ON        28- 7- 9- 16- 76 01/05/13
Women
11 Hannah Behounek #*   D 06/01/12 Minnetonka H.S. (Lake Conf)     2013  xx/xx/9x x'xx" xxx Minnetonka, MN       14- 3- 3-  6-  4 01/05/13
15 Laura Horwood *      F 11/29/12 Durham West Lightning (PWHL)    2013  05/20/95 5'06" 135 Belleville, ON       22-12- 9- 21- 18 01/12/13
                                                                                            nonleague games      18-12-12- 24-  x
                                                                                            total                40-24-21- 45-  x
15                                 Ontario Team Blue                                                              5- 0- 1-  1-  0 
13 Katie Rooney *       F 08/05/12 Buffalo H.S. (Mississippi 8)    2013  xx/xx/9x x'xx" xxx Buffalo, MN          15-22-18- 40-  8 01/08/13

* In the RPI directory
# Known to have signed Letter of Intent
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Wicked Slappaahs said:
Nope. None of those kids are stocky. Calof is smaller than JL. In fact , Melanson is as tall or taller than all of em
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I never talked about height, just size which to me is a combination of height and "width". I agree with DrD that Brad Tapper is a good comparison except that Tapper is a couple of inches taller.

Melanson 5'10" 160 lb http://ushl2011.stats.pointstreak.com/playerpage.html?playerid=6380585&seasonid=9358
Calof 5'10" 175 lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/prnm
JL 5'7" 175 lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/renm
Jones (both same) 5'9" 165 lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/quim
Spink (both same) 5'10" 185lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/clgm

I will be the first one to admit that published stats are not accurate, and certainly none of these are close to Curadi in build, but this agrees with my impression when looking at all of them -- Melanson appears to be the thinnest. He could still certainly bulk up significantly as he is younger than the rest. I also add that the only one whom I have actually seen live is JL, so I am using video evidence, while you have seen more if not all of them live.

I also agree that speed could minimize the effect of Melanson being relatively thin, but I wouldn't compare him to Gaudreau yet.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I never talked about height, just size which to me is a combination of height and "width". I agree with DrD that Brad Tapper is a good comparison except that Tapper is a couple of inches taller.

Melanson 5'10" 160 lb http://ushl2011.stats.pointstreak.com/playerpage.html?playerid=6380585&seasonid=9358
Calof 5'10" 175 lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/prnm
JL 5'7" 175 lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/renm
Jones (both same) 5'9" 165 lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/quim
Spink (both same) 5'10" 185lb http://collegehockeystats.net/1213/rosters/clgm

I will be the first one to admit that published stats are not accurate, and certainly none of these are close to Curadi in build, but this agrees with my impression when looking at all of them -- Melanson appears to be the thinnest. He could still certainly bulk up significantly as he is younger than the rest. I also add that the only one whom I have actually seen live is JL, so I am using video evidence, while you have seen more if not all of them live.

I also agree that speed could minimize the effect of Melanson being relatively thin, but I wouldn't compare him to Gaudreau yet.
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You can obsess all you like my good man ( I do often here:p). Bottom line is Melanson will be as big or bigger than ALL of those guys were are/as freshmen. He is already bigger than the Jones brothers AND JL, AND yes, Calof (there is NO way that kid is 175..I've seen him several times). And for the record, Calof had 31 pts. as a frosh at P'ton. From what Doc has said, Melanson is every bit as fast as Gaudreau, and that does indeed minimize the size issue. "Separation" I believe is what the scouts call it. :D

EDIT: For the record NHL CSB has him at 5'10.5 154 - so he's grown taller, but thinner...OMG time to worry Ralph !!!!!! :D:p:eek: Yup - I've seen them all - including Jones bros (excellent 2 way forwards) vs. UNO last weekend. But I prefer to see them lambasted by the BRO at the side of the net...:D
 
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Wicked Slappaahs said:
EDIT: For the record NHL CSB has him at 5'10.5 154 - so he's grown taller, but thinner...OMG time to worry Ralph !!!!!! :D:p:eek: Yup - I've seen them all - including Jones bros (excellent 2 way forwards) vs. UNO last weekend. But I prefer to see them lambasted by the BRO at the side of the net...:D
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I should have used the NHL CSB numbers -- it's probably the most accurate. BTW, who is obsessing? :p
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

Wicked Slappaahs said:
You can obsess all you like my good man ( I do often here:p). Bottom line is Melanson will be as big or bigger than ALL of those guys were are/as freshmen. He is already bigger than the Jones brothers AND JL, AND yes, Calof (there is NO way that kid is 175..I've seen him several times). And for the record, Calof had 31 pts. as a frosh at P'ton. From what Doc has said, Melanson is every bit as fast as Gaudreau, and that does indeed minimize the size issue. "Separation" I believe is what the scouts call it. :D

EDIT: For the record NHL CSB has him at 5'10.5 154 - so he's grown taller, but thinner...OMG time to worry Ralph !!!!!! :D:p:eek: Yup - I've seen them all - including Jones bros (excellent 2 way forwards) vs. UNO last weekend. But I prefer to see them lambasted by the BRO at the side of the net...:D
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Wicked-Those numbers seem very accurate to me. I am just a fraction under 6' and Melanson was almost my height last year. I alwys felt his weight was over estimated and I had him at about 160 max. But as far as speed-he is an effortless skater who does not seem to be moving until you just see him pull away from everyone. If speed and quckness translate into something-then he will be wonderful. If size means more-then he has some work to do. He just seems to have the type of frame that does not bulk up-medically would probably used the term ectomorphic. But what I do not have a clue about is strength. Hard to judge how well he can stay on his skates and push back when i saw him playing against high school kids who were his size or smaller at times. it will all come together in a year or two and we will see if the scouts have the right idea about him.
 
Re: RPI Recruit Thread 2012-13 (Part II)

DrDemento said:
Wicked-Those numbers seem very accurate to me. I am just a fraction under 6' and Melanson was almost my height last year. I alwys felt his weight was over estimated and I had him at about 160 max. But as far as speed-he is an effortless skater who does not seem to be moving until you just see him pull away from everyone. If speed and quckness translate into something-then he will be wonderful. If size means more-then he has some work to do. He just seems to have the type of frame that does not bulk up-medically would probably used the term ectomorphic. But what I do not have a clue about is strength. Hard to judge how well he can stay on his skates and push back when i saw him playing against high school kids who were his size or smaller at times. it will all come together in a year or two and we will see if the scouts have the right idea about him.
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Well put. He should perform well against teams like Yale, as do most of his future teammates, but if the Big Red Pylons ever catch him, he is in trouble. ;) I really wish that more of the ECAC teams would stop playing like Cornell does.
 
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