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RPI Hockey 2015 - 2016:: Six Flags Over the HFH

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Brownfan14 said:
Wasn't thinking ipad, in this day and age most places have more then one technology back up for streaming video. Given its at RPI you would think they would have a back up system.
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How many other schools have a backup system? And RPI is supposed to have one "given it[']s at RPI?" Where's the threshold there? Does Union get off the hook because they're only Union and they're barely competent enough to have a primary?

Brown got screwed, but don't take this out on us. It's the responsibility of the officials to ensure that their equipment is working properly before the game - so as it usually ends up being in the ECAC, go ahead and place all your blame on them.
 
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Red Cloud said:
How many other schools have a backup system? And RPI is supposed to have one "given it[']s at RPI?" Where's the threshold there? Does Union get off the hook because they're only Union and they're barely competent enough to have a primary?

Brown got screwed, but don't take this out on us. It's the responsibility of the officials to ensure that their equipment is working properly before the game - so as it usually ends up being in the ECAC, go ahead and place all your blame on them.
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Which brings up other questions. Isn't the replay checked after every scoring play like in the NHL? Was this the first time the refs referred to the replay in the game or did the malfunction occur sometime during the game?

I don't know which official originally called it 'no goal' but I have seen many cases where calls have been made by an official who is 60 feet from a play where no call was made by the one adjacent to the action. Bothers me no end.
 
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DeepRed72 said:
Which brings up other questions. Isn't the replay checked after every scoring play like in the NHL? Was this the first time the refs referred to the replay in the game or did the malfunction occur sometime during the game?

I don't know which official originally called it 'no goal' but I have seen many cases where calls have been made by an official who is 60 feet from a play where no call was made by the one adjacent to the action. Bothers me no end.
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No. Yes. Possible but it seems unlikely. If it was working before the game and they never used it prior to then, it should have been working when they went to it.

Referee behind the goal, as usual, is the one that signals goal or no goal. I originally thought that Schroeder (who appears to have accidentally put it in off Hackett's skate when he tried to clear it, although that's the right move) obscured the ref's sight of the puck because he himself was in the net, but the puck goes all the way back to the rear of the cage, behind Schroeder as well. You can see Mullen in the overhead shot waving off while the puck is sitting in the back of the cage. So it's on the officials, too, for blowing the call on the ice.
 
Red Cloud said:
How many other schools have a backup system? And RPI is supposed to have one "given it[']s at RPI?" Where's the threshold there? Does Union get off the hook because they're only Union and they're barely competent enough to have a primary?

Brown got screwed, but don't take this out on us. It's the responsibility of the officials to ensure that their equipment is working properly before the game - so as it usually ends up being in the ECAC, go ahead and place all your blame on them.
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Brown got screwed, no question. However, the only reason we know that is precisely because it was at RPI. The near professional quality of the RPI TV production - with multiple cameras at and above ice-level, including the overhead goalcam - gave us a definitive shot. If this happened at Brown or most other ECAC rinks we'd still be wondering what happened as you couldn't tell anything from the press box center ice camera.
 
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Red Cloud said:
No. Yes. Possible but it seems unlikely. If it was working before the game and they never used it prior to then, it should have been working when they went to it.

Referee behind the goal, as usual, is the one that signals goal or no goal. I originally thought that Schroeder (who appears to have accidentally put it in off Hackett's skate when he tried to clear it, although that's the right move) obscured the ref's sight of the puck because he himself was in the net, but the puck goes all the way back to the rear of the cage, behind Schroeder as well. You can see Mullen in the overhead shot waving off while the puck is sitting in the back of the cage. So it's on the officials, too, for blowing the call on the ice.
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It seemed the ref was washing our clearing attempt to signal that was no goal, given the ref's arms were extending as the puck was bouncing off Hackett and into the goal. That's not uncommon, as we'll see that be done on very close plays, such as the puck sitting on the line or hitting one of the bars. Ref did not subsequently make the goal signal, which can and has happened in the past. Was he washing a good goal? No. However, because he did not subsequently signal goal, it is ruled on the ice as not a goal. It's an unfortunate incident, but what's done is done. nothing can be done about it once that puck is dropped for the faceoff.
 
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rpi82 said:
Brown got screwed, no question. However, the only reason we know that is precisely because it was at RPI. The near professional quality of the RPI TV production - with multiple cameras at and above ice-level, including the overhead goalcam - gave us a definitive shot. If this happened at Brown or most other ECAC rinks we'd still be wondering what happened as you couldn't tell anything from the press box center ice camera.
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Another potential factor: Recently, the rules were changed to allow the removal of the specific positioning of the goal judge. If the goal judge was there, he would have been included in that referee discussion. I highly doubt we'll see them come back because of that, but it's a factor.

It makes me wonder, based upon what you said, if the ECAC will change their policy on what video evidence may be used. The league is the one that mandated the overhead goal cam with the review having a PIP of the official clock readout. One thing that should be mentioned about RPI-TV (although could be added with your claim of professional quality) is that they are impartial and show replays very evenly, even providing visitor's audio feeds when available. Conflict of interest still could be a concern, though.
 
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Just some stats to mull over for those of you that like this sort of thing or think that the officials have a grudge against us.
Overall statistics per game are easy to find so here are the numbers for just games limiting the calls to the third period and Overtime (obviously a crucial part of all our games.
All 11 games: RPI called for a total of 32 penalties for a total of 93 minutes
All 6 ECAC games: RPI called for 19 penalties for a total of 57 minutes

All 11 games: Opponents called for a total of 23 penalties for a total of 64 minutes
All 6 ECAC games: Opponents called for a total of 15 penalties for a total of 48 minutes

Some of these numbers are a bit skewed by calls made at the 20 minute mark at the end of the Union game which of course are meaningless as to a man advantage situation. I posted this just for conversation as personally I think that this sample is just too small to say much about. Others may want to look at the penalty numbers from other parts of the game that they think important (such as early and late in periods or first penalty called per game). But the early indication for this year as that we either take a significant number of extra minutes of penalties in the third period and OT or that we are getting called for more penalties in that same time period. I normally do not simply look at number of power plays since that figure just does not give you how many minutes of short handed time you face.
 
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DrDemento said:
Just some stats to mull over for those of you that like this sort of thing or think that the officials have a grudge against us.
Overall statistics per game are easy to find so here are the numbers for just games limiting the calls to the third period and Overtime (obviously a crucial part of all our games.
All 11 games: RPI called for a total of 32 penalties for a total of 93 minutes
All 6 ECAC games: RPI called for 19 penalties for a total of 57 minutes

All 11 games: Opponents called for a total of 23 penalties for a total of 64 minutes
All 6 ECAC games: Opponents called for a total of 15 penalties for a total of 48 minutes

Some of these numbers are a bit skewed by calls made at the 20 minute mark at the end of the Union game which of course are meaningless as to a man advantage situation. I posted this just for conversation as personally I think that this sample is just too small to say much about. Others may want to look at the penalty numbers from other parts of the game that they think important (such as early and late in periods or first penalty called per game). But the early indication for this year as that we either take a significant number of extra minutes of penalties in the third period and OT or that we are getting called for more penalties in that same time period. I normally do not simply look at number of power plays since that figure just does not give you how many minutes of short handed time you face.
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It would be interesting to see what the breakdown is when Chip McDonald is the ref. I noticed the other night that he was speaking to our #27 before the game and then proceeded to call a penalty on him. Of course, the same Chip McDonald who called a penalty on him 6 seconds into a game and then on another occasion called a penalty 20 seconds in. That's a disgrace. Thank you for your vigilance on this issue DrD, you have always spoken truth to power.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I agree that Brown should never have been on the power play, but with our history it isn't surprising. That is why I fear the worse and the league will find a way to turn the game into a loss.

Perhaps we joined a club where we get credit for every bad penalty call against us, and when we reach 1,000 we can trade the credits in for one point in the league standings. ;)
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Believe me Ralph if Stewart and Hagwell had the power, they would try to take the 85 title from us.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
Sa was quite careful not to say anything bad about the refs. :)
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To be fair, not sure there's much more bad you can say. Did they miss a result-changing call? Yes. Did they attempt to do the right thing by going to look it over and making sure their call was correct? Yes. Did they follow appropriate protocol given the original call on the ice and the resources they had available to them? Yes.

Reffing is tough. You have to make split-second decisions that could potentially affect the lives of athletes, and there's almost no thanks to the job.
 
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I expect to see the Engineers in the Top 20 this week. Atop the ECAC, two wins against Top 10 teams (BC #2, Yale #10).
 
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AspyDad said:
I expect to see the Engineers in the Top 20 this week. Atop the ECAC, two wins against Top 10 teams (BC #2, Yale #10).
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Should be. KRACH has us at #15 in large part due to our SOS which is 9th in the nation. But . . . here is where inertia takes effect - when you have been down so long, it takes time before you convince the voters that you are for real.
 
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DeepRed72 said:
Should be. KRACH has us at #15 in large part due to our SOS which is 9th in the nation. But . . . here is where inertia takes effect - when you have been down so long, it takes time before you convince the voters that you are for real.
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KRACH is kind of buggy until Quinnipiac loses (or ties) a game, but it's mostly legit.
 
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DeepRed72 said:
Should be. KRACH has us at #15 in large part due to our SOS which is 9th in the nation. But . . . here is where inertia takes effect - when you have been down so long, it takes time before you convince the voters that you are for real.
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Not only down so long, but you must also consider the rankings are on a national scale. Sure, we're on an unbeaten streak, but it's all limited to league opponents. One of the reasons PWR, KRACH, and other computer ranking systems exists is because you need some way to compare to other teams across the country. How are we going to compare to the WCHA, when we lost (and let's face it, we blew leads in both those games) against two teams currently mid-table or near the bottom? UML, BC, and Michigan are at the top of their leagues, but how do those compare? We haven't played Atlantic or NCHC yet, what sort of inferences can you make there? Those are the factors that affect a subjective top 20. Are we going to get votes? Most likely yes, and in order to get votes, at least one of the 50 must think you are a top 20 team.
 
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lugnut92 said:
We all know why having the 25th most points doesn't make us #25, right?
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Not to mention, the team with the 21st most points has the same number of points that would be received if all the voters made that team the #20 pick. This is going to happen in the beginning of the year; eventually we'll start to see things smooth out.
 
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