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RPI 2020-21...Up Up!

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Lets hope there is a full 2020-21 season. I'm cautiously optimistic it will happen. Team looks to be very young. Lets see if they have some surprises in store.
 
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I would be happy with one digit ;)

Seriously, my hopes for the team are modest. Single digits for wins would be fine, provided that we see that the coaching staff is building a foundation for the future. I want to see skill development for the returning players and some exciting contributions from freshmen. In almost all previous seasons the primary objective was to make the playoffs. It would be nice if that happened this year, but unlikely. And of course, above all, one has to just hope that the players have a great experience at the tute.
 
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Seriously, my hopes for the team are modest. Single digits for wins would be fine, provided that we see that the coaching staff is building a foundation for the future. I want to see skill development for the returning players and some exciting contributions from freshmen. In almost all previous seasons the primary objective was to make the playoffs. It would be nice if that happened this year, but unlikely. And of course, above all, one has to just hope that the players have a great experience at the tute.

I would pick something in between as a goal for this season -- out of the ECAC cellar.
 
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Not finish last in ECAC, this year's freshman show clear improvement as sophomores, a surprise or two in this year's freshman class for goal scoring, and then start to make serious noise in 2021. That class looks to be very good.
 
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Not finish last in ECAC, this year's freshman show clear improvement as sophomores, a surprise or two in this year's freshman class for goal scoring, and then start to make serious noise in 2021. That class looks to be very good.

I agree that the 2021 class as it now stands looks better than the 2020 one.
 
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It looks to be a major upgrade in 2021 in terms of talent. I'd go so far as to say program defining. NZ has 2020 with 1 3.75 star, 3 3.5 and 4 3.25. 3.33 star average which puts it only above RIT / Lindenwood / Union / Yale. A lot of bodies but not sure how much talent. 2021 has 1 4.25 star, 2 3.75 and 2 3.5. 3.75 star average and in the top 10 by average star ranking. Equal to Northeastern, Colgate and other very competitive programs. Would have to assume 2021 is pretty much picked over in terms of top talent so a very good place to be. At least the recruiting seems to have picked up.
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">College women’s hockey: <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_WHockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_WHockey</a> honors outgoing senior Orosz of Chase Mills <a href="https://t.co/Ci2DCpWBam">https://t.co/Ci2DCpWBam</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/wdtnews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wdtnews</a></p>— NNY360 & WDT Sports (@WDTsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/WDTsports/status/1268895084650602498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">College women’s hockey: <a href="https://twitter.com/RPI_WHockey?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@RPI_WHockey</a> honors outgoing senior Orosz of Chase Mills <a href="https://t.co/Ci2DCpWBam">https://t.co/Ci2DCpWBam</a> via <a href="https://twitter.com/wdtnews?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@wdtnews</a></p>— NNY360 & WDT Sports (@WDTsports) <a href="https://twitter.com/WDTsports/status/1268895084650602498?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 5, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

That's a great article. Thanks for sharing.
 
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She seemed to play only about half the season this year - was she injured? A quick look and last year she had nearly as many goals as the entire team had this year. Seemed like the offensive difference maker the team needed. Nice article and time to put that RPI degree(s)! to use!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Congratulations to Jaden Mirek, who will play hockey at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute (RPI) next year. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/BlackHawkpride?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#BlackHawkpride</a> <a href="https://t.co/5FwWkVK7oA">pic.twitter.com/5FwWkVK7oA</a></p>— Grafton Black Hawks (@GraftonHIHawks) <a href="https://twitter.com/GraftonHIHawks/status/1270183393913982976?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 9, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

New goalie to replace Nystrom
 
Should’ve been fired or at least resigned after the worse season in women’s NCAA D1 hockey.
the university feels sorry for him but they like his wife, so that’s why he still has a job.
Plus, where would he coach? ACHA D3?
Not a chance coaching AAA or juniors.
And his resume is only going to get worse when he loses every game this upcoming season.
I’ll be shocked if they win ONE game.
He can’t coach and most of his staff is made up of non-coaching talent. Burke was a superior coach and he was fired. Actually vines got fired from the men’s program and suddenly they’re much better.
Direct correlation.
 
Should’ve been fired or at least resigned after the worse season in women’s NCAA D1 hockey.
the university feels sorry for him but they like his wife, so that’s why he still has a job.
Plus, where would he coach? ACHA D3?
Not a chance coaching AAA or juniors.
And his resume is only going to get worse when he loses every game this upcoming season.
I’ll be shocked if they win ONE game.
He can’t coach and most of his staff is made up of non-coaching talent. Burke was a superior coach and he was fired. Actually vines got fired from the men’s program and suddenly they’re much better.
Direct correlation.

I find it hard to believe that Vines' firing was a significant reason that the men's program has improved.
 
Let's clear up some inaccuracies. First, Vines was not fired from the men's program. We brought in a new coach and he chose not to renew a member of the previous staff. It's a standard practice for a new coach to want to bring in new staff members. Given our previous struggles I was actually surprised that Smith chose to keep even one, but he probably wanted to maintain some continuity in recruiting.

That leads to the second inaccuracy. Vines has not brought in 3 of his own classes. In fact, it's arguable that 2020 is really the first Vines class. He was hired as "interim coach" well into the summer of 2017, after that class was all locked and loaded. Furthermore, there were a half-dozen additional recruits already committed for 2018 and 2019. He could have dumped them I suppose, but that's not a desired practice and, since he was still technically just an interim coach until the summer of 2018, probably not a wise one or one that he may have been empowered to execute. So there are only a handful of Vines recruits on the team with many more committed for 2020-2022. It should be noted, however, that the best arrival during the post-Burke period was a Vines' recruit, Nystrom, and he couldn't keep her.

The biggest argument against Vines is that the players don't seem to have improved under his tutelage. Burke was not an amazing recruiter but he seemed to develop whatever he got so the team could be competitive. Of course, it may have helped that he was a goaltender as we've had a long tradition of depending on a rock in the nets (Selander, van der Bliek, Schiff, etc.). They kept us in the game and we usually had at least one competent scoring line so we could be in most games and compete for a spot at the back-end of the playoff grid. We didn't come close to that this year.

All of this is probably irrelevant to whether Vines will stay on the job. I'll bet it has more to do with his contract status. Having not been appointed until the summer of 2018, I presume he has at least a year or two left. Women's hockey is a non-revenue sport. I've been to home games with, at best, 100 in attendance and road games where the only other people in RPI gear turned out to be the parents of a player. That was during the period when we were competitive. In that sense, I'm part of the problem since I haven't attended a women's game in 3 years. Any way you look at it, there's a strong disincentive to pay multiple coaches in a sport that not only doesn't bring in revenue, but doesn't move the dial in terms of student, alumni or community involvement. (Note: I've seen the team in road games at 4 other D-I rinks as well as non-RPI games at two more , a total of 4 ECAC and 2 HE, and they didn't do any better so this is not a uniquely RPI problem). He'll get another year, maybe 2, to show what he can do with his own recruits.
 
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The 2020 class was mostly recruited with the "interim" title as well. Very difficult situation the administration put the staff in by giving him an "interim" title for a whole year - it is border line malpractice from the administration. That should only be used if a change occurs in-season (like at Penn State with Dean Jackson).

The staff has shown they can recruit once they had full backing of the administration. The 2021 class is especially strong. Also, the highest rated recruit in this years class looks to have been a last minute flip a few months back. In college sports, recruiting is by far the most important skill so lets see what happens in the next 2 years.
 
The 2020 class was mostly recruited with the "interim" title as well. Very difficult situation the administration put the staff in by giving him an "interim" title for a whole year - it is border line malpractice from the administration. That should only be used if a change occurs in-season (like at Penn State with Dean Jackson).

The staff has shown they can recruit once they had full backing of the administration. The 2021 class is especially strong. Also, the highest rated recruit in this years class looks to have been a last minute flip a few months back. In college sports, recruiting is by far the most important skill so lets see what happens in the next 2 years.

Personally, I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Neutral Zone's rating of an individual player. They can be wrong. Remember that Owen Savory was rated 3.00 when he entered RPI. An average can be meaningful. At least with the women, they almost always have the year correctly. That is not the case with the men.

As to Reine Jahnke, whom I assume you meant, I am concerned about her size at 5'3", 118 lb, assuming it is correct. Unless she has a lot of speed, it could be a problem.
 
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