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RPI 2017 Off-Season: We March 4th into the Future

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One thing I find a bit ironic with the Canisius coach, although nothing to do with the actual coaching search: We've yet to play Canisius. Ever.
 
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The Canisius coach is 4th on my preference list out of 4. While I'm sure there are issues recruiting at Canisius, why would we want a coach with a well below .500 record and extremely limited recruiting reach (look at their roster)? His history is Seth with even less of a recruiting footprint. Grosek would be third on my list because he's a winner with an even more limited recruiting base. If we don't get Riga or Barr I will consider this effort a step backward.
 
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The Canisius coach is 4th on my preference list out of 4. While I'm sure there are issues recruiting at Canisius, why would we want a coach with a well below .500 record and extremely limited recruiting reach (look at their roster)? His history is Seth with even less of a recruiting footprint. Grosek would be third on my list because he's a winner with an even more limited recruiting base. If we don't get Riga or Barr I will consider this effort a step backward.
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If it's smith I may never walk into the hfh again
 
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My biggest concern with throwing Jooris name into the mix was that his connections are undoubtedly overwhelmingly in Ontario and little elsewhere. Well, that's Smith but without the sub-.500 record behind the bench. Jooris could hire recruiters with greater reach to offset his weakness. Who can Smith hire to offset his weaknesses?
 
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rpi82 said:
The Canisius coach is 4th on my preference list out of 4. While I'm sure there are issues recruiting at Canisius, why would we want a coach with a well below .500 record and extremely limited recruiting reach (look at their roster)? His history is Seth with even less of a recruiting footprint. Grosek would be third on my list because he's a winner with an even more limited recruiting base. If we don't get Riga or Barr I will consider this effort a step backward.
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You might want to do a little reading about Coach Smith. Not advocating for him, but I just went to the Canisius hockey page and it was interesting. He is the 2016-2017 AH Coach of the Year and a finalist for the Spencer Penrose Award (Nat'l Coach of the Year; one of 10 finalists). Their goalie is a finalist for the Richter Award. He played at Ohio State for 4 years and played pro hockey for 6 or so years; mostly in the AHL. He has coached 2 Hobey finalists. Servers on the board of College Hockey Inc. Just a few links;

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20500&ATCLID=1464602

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle...01&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211538093&DB_OEM_ID=20500

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle...01&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211531631&DB_OEM_ID=20500

The guy probably knows how to coach and I'm sure his recruiting contacts are just fine. I wouldn't be upset if this guy became the coach.
 
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TBone said:
You might want to do a little reading about Coach Smith. Not advocating for him, but I just went to the Canisius hockey page and it was interesting. He is the 2016-2017 AH Coach of the Year and a finalist for the Spencer Penrose Award (Nat'l Coach of the Year; one of 10 finalists). Their goalie is a finalist for the Richter Award. He played at Ohio State for 4 years and played pro hockey for 6 or so years; mostly in the AHL. He has coached 2 Hobey finalists. Servers on the board of College Hockey Inc. Just a few links;

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=20500&ATCLID=1464602

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle...01&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211538093&DB_OEM_ID=20500

http://www.gogriffs.com/ViewArticle...01&DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=211531631&DB_OEM_ID=20500

The guy probably knows how to coach and I'm sure his recruiting contacts are just fine. I wouldn't be upset if this guy became the coach.
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The year before they were 12-22-5. In fact, the guy has never had back-to-back .500 or better seasons in 11 years at Canisius. One year riding a hot goalie does not make a great candidate.
 
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The year before they were 12-22-5. In fact, the guy has never had back-to-back .500 or better seasons in 11 years at Canisius. One year riding a hot goalie does not make a great candidate.
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Read some more
 
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Jeff Cox‏ @JeffCoxSports
One minor issue in contract negotiations is all that remains between RPI officially announcing Dave Smith as its next head coach.
 
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Those were fluff pieces with content such as, "Canisius has also enjoyed a long history of success at the professional level outside of playing the game, highlighted most recently by two-time Griff captain Peter MacDougall ’10 being named an NHL referee in 2016." He may turn out to be a good head coach, but his record doesn't show it and I'd be lying if I didn't say hiring him would be a massive disappointment.

Edit: In fact, I 'll go one step further and say McElroy is making the same bonehead move that the Colonel made. Both gave coaches with weak histories coming off a single good season anchored by an excellent goalie a new contract. I'd prefer to see an extended record of excellence, even if it is as an assistant.

Try this one to get everyone excited: http://www.uscho.com/stats/coach/mid,1127/dave-smith/
 
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rpi82 said:
Those were fluff pieces with content such as, "Canisius has also enjoyed a long history of success at the professional level outside of playing the game, highlighted most recently by two-time Griff captain Peter MacDougall ’10 being named an NHL referee in 2016." He may turn out to be a good head coach, but his record doesn't show it and I'd be lying if I didn't say hiring him would be a massive disappointment.

Try this one: http://www.uscho.com/stats/coach/mid,1127/dave-smith/
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I get it. As I stated, I'm not advocating for the guy. It was just that people on here were making it look like the guy was Happy Gilmore. I am guessing he was coaching at an institution with way less resources than RPI. They just opened a new rink a season or two ago which probably had some effect on recruiting. Since it appears he is our new coach, let's support him and see where it takes us.
 
rpi82 said:
Those were fluff pieces with content such as, "Canisius has also enjoyed a long history of success at the professional level outside of playing the game, highlighted most recently by two-time Griff captain Peter MacDougall ’10 being named an NHL referee in 2016." He may turn out to be a good head coach, but his record doesn't show it and I'd be lying if I didn't say hiring him would be a massive disappointment.

Try this one: http://www.uscho.com/stats/coach/mid,1127/dave-smith/
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Not sure how this will pan out but 2 of the people that know alot more than I do thought he was the best of the 4 candidates for this program. Seemed to start circulating yesterday that is was between him and Gosek which could mean a couple differentry things. One is that they desired a coach with head coaching experience. Could be he just interviewed beter. Or maybe others weren't as interested as some thought.
 
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johnk said:
Not sure how this will pan out but 2 of the people that know alot more than I do thought he was the best of the 4 candidates for this program. Seemed to start circulating yesterday that is was between him and Gosek which could mean a couple differentry things. One is that they desired a coach with head coaching experience. Could be he just interviewed beter. Or maybe others weren't as interested as some thought.
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It doesn't surprise me we want a HC, especially considering we've been burned by two ACs. Rinse and repeat what was said earlier about condemning. A point was also made that Belichick was a flop on his first coaching job, so maybe Smith will do better this time around. I think what we can conclude from this is that past performance does not guarantee future results. Alls I know is, whomever is named head coach, you have my support in your endeavor, but you also have 5 years to put a smile on my face, and then if you do, positive consistency is my expectation, whether we win, lose, or tie.
 
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