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RPI 2017 Off-Season (Part II): Mr. Smith Goes to Troy

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Today is 13 April 2017. There are 171 days until RPI's next game.


This is based upon 1 October 2017 for the start of next season.
 
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AspyDad said:
This is a good point. Of course Lee hired a firm with no hockey expertise and ended up hiring a guy with almost an identical winning % from a lesser league. Bad process.
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To be fair, what firm would you have hired if you were instructed to outsource the search?

Also, how do we know the winning percentage wasn't a result of the league? Some thrive as the big fish in a small pond, some need "maneuvering room" (pun intended). Also, some strategies work against some teams and don't work vs. others, case in point our seeming ease of playing Yale in Appert's "hey-day" (if you can call it that), coupled with the difficulty of facing Cornell.

Also, I don't blame them for picking who they did on the basis of being a HC veteran.
 
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AspyDad said:
No doubt but it looks like Barr is a good recruiter although prior asiistants were also credited. Jury out on Smith.
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Last I checked, we weren't hiring a recruiter; we were hiring a coach. The last guy could recruit, but couldn't coach.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
To be fair, what firm would you have hired if you were instructed to outsource the search?

Also, how do we know the winning percentage wasn't a result of the league? Some thrive as the big fish in a small pond, some need "maneuvering room" (pun intended). Also, some strategies work against some teams and don't work vs. others, case in point our seeming ease of playing Yale in Appert's "hey-day" (if you can call it that), coupled with the difficulty of facing Cornell.

Also, I don't blame them for picking who they did on the basis of being a HC veteran.
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I wouldnt have hired a firm, I would have surrounded myself with hockey people like the alumni who wanted to be a part of it but were shut out.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Last I checked, we weren't hiring a recruiter; we were hiring a coach. The last guy could recruit, but couldn't coach.
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You talk about strategy, there is very little strategy in hockey, there are systems. Best team that walks off the bus usually wins; that's the role of recruiting. Basically it's everything.
 
AspyDad said:
You talk about strategy, there is very little strategy in hockey, there are systems. Best team that walks off the bus usually wins; that's the role of recruiting. Basically it's everything.
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Which is what is wrong with hockey today. Too many systems, too much micromanagement. We're stifling creativity.

I have one goal -- at the end of the game scoring one more goal than you.
 
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joecct said:
Which is what is wrong with hockey today. Too many systems, too much micromanagement. We're stifling creativity.
I have one goal -- at the end of the game scoring one more goal than you.
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Either too many systems or the wrong ones implemented especially at the wrong time.

Let them play
 
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AspyDad said:
I wouldnt have hired a firm, I would have surrounded myself with hockey people like the alumni who wanted to be a part of it but were shut out.
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And if what the AD said is factual and there is no reason not to believe him, who of amongst this group of Alumni would have had the time to fact check the 170 coaches that applied? So a firm was used that didn't have a background in hockey so what. They didn't hire the coach. Based on that logic then the AD shouldn't have hired the coach because he doesn't have a background in hockey.

AspyDad said:
You talk about strategy, there is very little strategy in hockey, there are systems. Best team that walks off the bus usually wins; that's the role of recruiting. Basically it's everything.
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You can assemble the best talent in the world and without proper coaching you won't win. People keep talking about Ben Barr like he's the second coming. He's good at recruiting but can he coach? Has no experience as a Head Coach so maybe he should stop being a recruiter and go and be a head coach. That's what Jim Montgomery did and look where he is today. As for systems, that's what's ruining hockey, too many systems. Let the players play. And strategy can be used in games coaches need to know how to coach in order to employ it. Systems are just a weigh of stifling creativity. You don't need to develop players skills when all you are doing is employing a TRAP or LEFT WING Lock like RPI did this year.
 
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If recruiting is basically everything was Seth bad because his recruits won 8 games?
If recruiting is basically everything why do they have coaches behind the benches every game?
 
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Havasu M said:
If recruiting is basically everything was Seth bad because his recruits won 8 games?
If recruiting is basically everything why do they have coaches behind the benches every game?
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Nobody wants to go to RPI and its hard to get in.
 
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Noresmen said:
And if what the AD said is factual and there is no reason not to believe him, who of amongst this group of Alumni would have had the time to fact check the 170 coaches that applied? So a firm was used that didn't have a background in hockey so what. They didn't hire the coach. Based on that logic then the AD shouldn't have hired the coach because he doesn't have a background in hockey.



You can assemble the best talent in the world and without proper coaching you won't win. People keep talking about Ben Barr like he's the second coming. He's good at recruiting but can he coach? Has no experience as a Head Coach so maybe he should stop being a recruiter and go and be a head coach. That's what Jim Montgomery did and look where he is today. As for systems, that's what's ruining hockey, too many systems. Let the players play. And strategy can be used in games coaches need to know how to coach in order to employ it. Systems are just a weigh of stifling creativity. You don't need to develop players skills when all you are doing is employing a TRAP or LEFT WING Lock like RPI did this year.
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Nothing Lee said was factual. It looks like he spent 60-90k to check credentials. There's a thing called google, you may want to try it. No comparing Denver and RPI.
 
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Don't disagree on trap and LWL. Blame Lemaire and Bowman.
 
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