RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

[turk181]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Women’s schedule is out, open up the season @ home with 2vs NoDak (not counting the exh. game)..... http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=whock&

 

[vicb]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Women’s schedule is out, open up the season @ home with 2vs NoDak (not counting the exh. game)..... http://www.rpiathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=whock&

I guess they want no part of 2 games with Clarkson since I only see one on the schedule .

 

[Ralph Baer]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

new thread http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?113092-RPI-Engineers-15-16

 

[jericho]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Ralph, I'm just a long-time ECAC and WCHA fan. I have had the opportunity to talk with him and I like him. He seems like a very nice guy but he's never going to ignite much of a flame in any athlete's heart - with no offense to him personally, he's pretty dull to talk with. He doesn't exactly ooze with energy or passion. I agree with you about the school and its inability to attract the top talent and have said the same thing in the past too only to get shot down by what I guess would be ardent RPI fans. The reality is some schools just aren't going to be able to get to the NCAA tournament no matter who the coach is. RPI is one of those schools. However I think it's perfectly ok to expect some appearances in a team's conference playoffs. Most people feel at least once every four years isn't too much to expect so that all graduating players can experience playoff hockey at least one year out of their four years of eligibility. That's not happening under current "leadership" and isn't going to happen until new leadership takes over. Even then it will take some time to get back to the ECAC playoffs. Other than that hkypassion gave some detailed reasons that I don't need to waste time repeating.

If you are a long time ECAC "fan," how long have you been following RPI? If you go back and look at the results from previous years, you'd see that RPI has been hovering around the 6-9 mark for a while, which is to be expected. Also, you'll see that RPI has even made some nice in the conference tournament as a #6 seed. Oh the horror. You do know that John Burke has bosses right? He could be Scotty Bowman, if he has little support from said bosses he has to do the best with what he is given, which I think he is. It also takes more to be a successful program than just the coach. Also, there's the fact that of all the things that the Institute leadership has to worry about, I'm sure women's hockey is a fraction of a blip on the radar.

 

[shelfit]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

If you are a long time ECAC "fan," how long have you been following RPI? If you go back and look at the results from previous years, you'd see that RPI has been hovering around the 6-9 mark for a while, which is to be expected. Also, you'll see that RPI has even made some nice in the conference tournament as a #6 seed. Oh the horror. You do know that John Burke has bosses right? He could be Scotty Bowman, if he has little support from said bosses he has to do the best with what he is given, which I think he is. It also takes more to be a successful program than just the coach. Also, there's the fact that of all the things that the Institute leadership has to worry about, I'm sure women's hockey is a fraction of a blip on the radar.

So I guess we're going to do this. Ok then. I've followed the ECAC since before RPI joined the league. Let's get some detail - here's their 9-year ECAC results:

2006-07
8-13-1
Lost in Quarter finals 2 games straight to Dartmouth.

2007-08
6-12-4
(missed the playoffs)

2008-09
11-8-3
Lost in Finals to Harvard 6-1.

2009-10
11-7-4
Lost in Semi finals to Cornell 5-4.

2010-11
8-12-2
Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Cornell.

2011-12
6-14-2
(missed the playoffs)

2012-13
8-12-2
Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Clarkson.

2013-14
6-14-2
(missed the playoffs)

2014-15
5-16-1
(missed the playoffs)

It's really not that terrible overall. They've made the ECAC playoffs 5 times out of those 9 years. Their best 3-year stretch was from 2008-2011 where they made it to the finals, the semi finals, and the quarter finals respectively. The problem lies in the downward trend over the last 4 years and that's missing the ECAC playoffs 3 out of 4 years and the last 2 years in a row. I don't see them making the 2015-16 playoffs either. I've lost faith in his ability to keep this program as competitive as it needs to be to break this downward trend. Given the comments of others here about what they've observed in his coaching style and decisions, I'm not alone in my opinion but maybe I'm among the few that is willing to voice it in such a straightforward way. Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it.

 

[jericho]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

...However I think it's perfectly ok to expect some appearances in a team's conference playoffs. Most people feel at least once every four years isn't too much to expect so that all graduating players can experience playoff hockey at least one year out of their four years of eligibility. That's not happening under current "leadership" and isn't going to happen until new leadership takes over.

So I guess we're going to do this. Ok then. I've followed the ECAC since before RPI joined the league. Let's get some detail - here's their 9-year ECAC results:

2006-07
8-13-1
Lost in Quarter finals 2 games straight to Dartmouth.

2007-08
6-12-4
(missed the playoffs)

2008-09
11-8-3
Lost in Finals to Harvard 6-1.

2009-10
11-7-4
Lost in Semi finals to Cornell 5-4.

2010-11
8-12-2
Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Cornell.

2011-12
6-14-2
(missed the playoffs)

2012-13
8-12-2
Lost in Quarter finals in 2 games straight to Clarkson.

2013-14
6-14-2
(missed the playoffs)

2014-15
5-16-1
(missed the playoffs)

It's really not that terrible overall. They've made the ECAC playoffs 5 times out of those 9 years. Their best 3-year stretch was from 2008-2011 where they made it to the finals, the semi finals, and the quarter finals respectively. The problem lies in the downward trend over the last 4 years and that's missing the ECAC playoffs 3 out of 4 years and the last 2 years in a row. I don't see them making the 2015-16 playoffs either. I've lost faith in his ability to keep this program as competitive as it needs to be to break this downward trend. Given the comments of others here about what they've observed in his coaching style and decisions, I'm not alone in my opinion but maybe I'm among the few that is willing to voice it in such a straightforward way. Sorry of that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it.

Contradicting yourself with these two posts. They've made the playoffs at least "once every four years" in the years you refer.

 

[shelfit]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Contradicting yourself with these two posts. They've made the playoffs at least "once every four years" in the years you refer.

Agreed, and believe me I thought about that "equation" as I posted but the obvious downward trend since the year they lost in the ECAC championship game is indicative of the big picture with this program and its leadership. It's not a good spiral that they're on and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

 

[hab]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Agreed, and believe me I thought about that "equation" as I posted but the obvious downward trend since the year they lost in the ECAC championship game is indicative of the big picture with this program and its leadership. It's not a good spiral that they're on and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.

Translation: I knew that I was wrong but I didn't want that to get in the way of an opportunity to repeat my tiresome rant.

BTW, for those interested in looking forward, we do have a new thread for the '15-'16 season.
http://board.uscho.com/showthread.php?113092-RPI-Engineers-15-16

 

[shelfit]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Translation: I knew that I was wrong but I didn't want that to get in the way of an opportunity to repeat my tiresome rant.[/url]

Not wrong, just ahead of myself because they won't make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Mark my words. I'll have no problem eating my words if they make the playoffs in either 2015-16 or 2016-17. I'll say it yet again; nothing would make me happier for this program than for them to make the ECAC playoffs once again. Hopefully you see that repetition to be equally as "tiresome" as the things I post that you don't like or agree with. I guess it's easy for you to be selective in what you criticize. Have a fabulous day!

I've obviously offended you given the tone of your post but I did say "Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it."

 

[hab]

Re: RPI 2014-2015: Goin' back to the playoffs

Not wrong, just ahead of myself because they won't make the playoffs 4 years in a row. Mark my words. I'll have no problem eating my words if they make the playoffs in either 2015-16 or 2016-17. I'll say it yet again; nothing would make me happier for this program than for them to make the ECAC playoffs once again. Hopefully you see that repetition to be equally as "tiresome" as the things I post that you don't like or agree with. I guess it's easy for you to be selective in what you criticize. Have a fabulous day!

I've obviously offended you given the tone of your post but I did say "Sorry if that offends anyone but that's the reality for RPI as I see it."

Shelfit, I welcome and enjoy your posts precisely because they express opinions that I don't always agree with (that's what forums are for, after all). But the echoes...not so much. Let's move on.