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RPI 2013/14 Part II: The HFH is Covered with Frozen Drivel

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No one commented on the fact that Jerry Knightley was chosen to be the next addition to the Ring of Honor. Knightley was the star of the team my freshman year 1964-5. While I think that he is very deserving of the honor, he seems like an odd choice to me. He played long enough ago that I don't think his selection will add to the attendance for that game, and there are a couple of older players who are probably somewhat more deserving. If attendance is the main object then I would pick a more recent grad, for example John Carter or Joel Laing. JMHO.
 
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LTsatch said:
I would hope that RPI would at least be a higher seed than the Atlantic qualifier. A nice cakewalk with BC perhaps.
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Not so fast . . . both Air Force and Mercyhurst are currently ahead of us in PWR. If one of those take the AHA bid it is not unrealistic that they could be seeded 15th should we make the field with a hot streak at the end.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
No one commented on the fact that Jerry Knightley was chosen to be the next addition to the Ring of Honor. Knightley was the star of the team my freshman year 1964-5. While I think that he is very deserving of the honor, he seems like an odd choice to me. He played long enough ago that I don't think his selection will add to the attendance for that game, and there are a couple of older players who are probably somewhat more deserving. If attendance is the main object then I would pick a more recent grad, for example John Carter or Joel Laing. JMHO.
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Knightley is a solid choice-just review the RPI record book. Granted he is from a different era but so is Bob Brinkworth and any of the 1954 team(several of whom are deserving also). We also have to remember when comparing statistics that these guys all played in an era where they could not compete as freshmen and played only 15-25 games per year. I like the idea of adding names from a long time ago-often emotions run high for a few years after someone leaves and you can get a better and truer evaluation of someone's accomplishments after a waiting period. I still think the baseball Hall of Fame should have players wait even longer before becoming elligible. Overall though, i think these kinds of accolades need to be reserved for the best of the best-i do not think we need to add a name too frequently. i would hate for our Ring Of Honor to get to be like the Baseball HOF where they admit so often that many shold not even be mentioned in the same sentence with the truly deserving. i do agree strongly with you. however, that both Carter and Laing are at least deserving of consideration at some future time.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
No one commented on the fact that Jerry Knightley was chosen to be the next addition to the Ring of Honor. Knightley was the star of the team my freshman year 1964-5. While I think that he is very deserving of the honor, he seems like an odd choice to me. He played long enough ago that I don't think his selection will add to the attendance for that game, and there are a couple of older players who are probably somewhat more deserving. If attendance is the main object then I would pick a more recent grad, for example John Carter or Joel Laing. JMHO.
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if attendance is part of the equation for this honor then don't wait another year........Chase Polacek :)
 
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DrDemento said:
Knightley is a solid choice-just review the RPI record book. Granted he is from a different era but so is Bob Brinkworth and any of the 1954 team(several of whom are deserving also). We also have to remember when comparing statistics that these guys all played in an era where they could not compete as freshmen and played only 15-25 games per year. I like the idea of adding names from a long time ago-often emotions run high for a few years after someone leaves and you can get a better and truer evaluation of someone's accomplishments after a waiting period. I still think the baseball Hall of Fame should have players wait even longer before becoming elligible. Overall though, i think these kinds of accolades need to be reserved for the best of the best-i do not think we need to add a name too frequently. i would hate for our Ring Of Honor to get to be like the Baseball HOF where they admit so often that many shold not even be mentioned in the same sentence with the truly deserving. i do agree strongly with you. however, that both Carter and Laing are at least deserving of consideration at some future time.
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I don't think that we are in disagreement. Moore and probably Fox from the 1954 would be worthy additions, also Paul Midghall from a few years later. I agree that there should be a waiting period but since Juneau is in, Carter is not too recent. I do agree that there should be a waiting period, perhaps of ten years. That's why I mentioned Laing, but not Polacek who should also eventually be a honoree. If I recall, graduation from RPI is a qualification, so I wouldn't name Puppa.
 
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I agree that Knightley deserves a spot in the Ring of Honor. The fact that the '63-'64 team which played in the Final Four (not known as the Frozen Four back then) is to be honored that same weekend may have a good deal to do with the fact that this time, rather than some other time, has been chosen for Knightley to be recognized in this way. I would think the 50-year reunion of that team would be more likely to boost attendance than Knightley by himself.

A couple of interesting tidbits.

Although the '63-'64 team made it to the Final Four, their regular-season record was only good enough for a tie for sixth place in the ECAC, back when the ECAC encompassed all of Eastern hockey. They won a first-round ECAC playoff matchup from BC, lost the semifinal to St. Lawrence, but won the consolation against Clarkson and were named as the ECAC's second participant in the NCAA tournament (which consisted of only four teams) when St. Lawrence chose not to go.

And Knightley, when he is inducted, will become the answer to an RPI hockey trivia question, "Who is the only member of the Ring of Honor to have played against RPI?" Knightley went on to graduate school at the University of Western Ontario after his graduation and was on their hockey team (Canadian rules allowed him to be eligible to play varsity hockey) when they came to the Field House for the RPI Invitational the next year.
 
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Waite21 said:
I agree that Knightley deserves a spot in the Ring of Honor. The fact that the '63-'64 team which played in the Final Four (not known as the Frozen Four back then) is to be honored that same weekend may have a good deal to do with the fact that this time, rather than some other time, has been chosen for Knightley to be recognized in this way. I would think the 50-year reunion of that team would be more likely to boost attendance than Knightley by himself.

A couple of interesting tidbits.

Although the '63-'64 team made it to the Final Four, their regular-season record was only good enough for a tie for sixth place in the ECAC, back when the ECAC encompassed all of Eastern hockey. They won a first-round ECAC playoff matchup from BC, lost the semifinal to St. Lawrence, but won the consolation against Clarkson and were named as the ECAC's second participant in the NCAA tournament (which consisted of only four teams) when St. Lawrence chose not to go.

And Knightley, when he is inducted, will become the answer to an RPI hockey trivia question, "Who is the only member of the Ring of Honor to have played against RPI?" Knightley went on to graduate school at the University of Western Ontario after his graduation and was on their hockey team (Canadian rules allowed him to be eligible to play varsity hockey) when they came to the Field House for the RPI Invitational the next year.
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I remember that game in the 65-66 RPI tourney. Bruce Tisdall '65 also returned with Western Ontario. (He won't make the RoH.) OTOH, although Ned Harkness didn't play against RPI, as you know, he did coach against us. To be very technical Bob Brinkworth and Garry Kearns (and perhaps also Frank Chiarelli) played on RPI alumni teams against the varsity.
 
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Waite21 said:
I agree that Knightley deserves a spot in the Ring of Honor. The fact that the '63-'64 team which played in the Final Four (not known as the Frozen Four back then) is to be honored that same weekend may have a good deal to do with the fact that this time, rather than some other time, has been chosen for Knightley to be recognized in this way. I would think the 50-year reunion of that team would be more likely to boost attendance than Knightley by himself.

A couple of interesting tidbits.

Although the '63-'64 team made it to the Final Four, their regular-season record was only good enough for a tie for sixth place in the ECAC, back when the ECAC encompassed all of Eastern hockey. They won a first-round ECAC playoff matchup from BC, lost the semifinal to St. Lawrence, but won the consolation against Clarkson and were named as the ECAC's second participant in the NCAA tournament (which consisted of only four teams) when St. Lawrence chose not to go.

And Knightley, when he is inducted, will become the answer to an RPI hockey trivia question, "Who is the only member of the Ring of Honor to have played against RPI?" Knightley went on to graduate school at the University of Western Ontario after his graduation and was on their hockey team (Canadian rules allowed him to be eligible to play varsity hockey) when they came to the Field House for the RPI Invitational the next year.
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I have to admit-one of the things about our threads is that some of us old timers can add some fascinating little bits of information. Thanks W21-although we almost always focus on the current team and it's successes or lack thereof, it is nice to remember the historical significance of the events in this program. For the younger ones here, beg, borrow, or steal Kurt's book if you have to. For the pictures and some of the great history of this program.
 
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Not knowing all the criteria for the Ring of Honor - does it only consider the record of the player at RPI? - this suggestion may be out of place but Mike McPhee was a distinguished player who went on to have one of the best NHL records of anyone from the 'Tute. And he does have his name on the Stanley Cup - how many of our grads can make that claim?
 
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DrDemento said:
I have to admit-one of the things about our threads is that some of us old timers can add some fascinating little bits of information. Thanks W21-although we almost always focus on the current team and it's successes or lack thereof, it is nice to remember the historical significance of the events in this program. For the younger ones here, beg, borrow, or steal Kurt's book if you have to. For the pictures and some of the great history of this program.
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Don't steal it, he wants the royalties from sales. Also, don't ask him to sign it.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
So what happened when you asked him to sign your copy? :)
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He forcefully took the book from my hands, ripped out the pages, threw them in the trash, and said "I don't sign no (bleeping) autographs" and threw the ripped up book in the garbage. :)

Come on, Ralph, you should know better than that.
 
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jericho said:
He forcefully took the book from my hands, ripped out the pages, threw them in the trash, and said "I don't sign no (bleeping) autographs" and threw the ripped up book in the garbage. :)

Come on, Ralph, you should know better than that.
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:confused: I have met Kurt, but I certainly can't say that I know him.
 
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