RPI 2013/14 Part II: The HFH is Covered with Frozen Drivel

[sk8tronthepond]

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I enjoyed the empirical evidence presented in this rebuttal.

I did not inhale. Jerry Garcia was a very good friend of mine!

 

[ibanezist00]

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The team has talent, but has a little bit of struggle playing for 60 minutes. I'm not sure how losing your focus and drive during a game is entirely the fault of coaching staff. But, let's remove players from the equation entirely, because that makes complete sense.

 

[sk8tronthepond]

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The team has talent, but has a little bit of struggle playing for 60 minutes. I'm not sure how losing your focus and drive during a game is entirely the fault of coaching staff. But, let's remove players from the equation entirely, because that makes complete sense.

I respectfully disagree. Overworking players will lead to mental fatigue, which leads to physical fatigue.

The coaching staff can certainly help individuals remedy the situation. See Wally Bzdell for Union.

 

[ibanezist00]

Re: RPI 2013/14 Part II: The HFH is Covered with Frozen Drivel

I respectfully disagree. Overworking players will lead to mental fatigue, which leads to physical fatigue.

The coaching staff can certainly help individuals remedy the situation. See Wally Bzdell for Union.

And I respectfully disagree back. Ever had your thoughts wander while you're at work and you lose focus, or decide that thinking about that party later tonight was a better use of your time? These guys are human and are prone to what I call "mental drift". I'm not saying we entirely absolve all blame from the coaching staff, either, but my point is, this whole FIAR APPART BECUZ HIS FAULT LOL sentiment is getting a bit old.

 

[sk8tronthepond]

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And I respectfully disagree back. Ever had your thoughts wander while you're at work and you lose focus, or decide that thinking about that party later tonight was a better use of your time? These guys are human and are prone to what I call "mental drift". I'm not saying we entirely absolve all blame from the coaching staff, either, but my point is, this whole FIAR APPART BECUZ HIS FAULT LOL sentiment is getting a bit old.

"FIAR APPART BECUZ HIS FAULT LOL" That was not what I was referring to so why bring it up???? Your analogy while at work is very poor, sorry to say. Obviously, you were not a high level athlete! I don't say that to be mean, I say that due to your lack of experience with the analogy you used and what I was driving at in my previous post....you missed the point completely!

 

[ibanezist00]

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That was not what I was referring to so why bring it up???? Your analogy while at work is very poor, sorry to say. Obviously, you were not a high level athlete! I don't say that to be mean, I say that due to your lack of experience with the analogy you used and what I was driving at in my previous post.

Haha, I think we were on two different wavelengths, there. I reread what you said and agree with your point; mine is just that I'm tired of seeing only the coaching staff getting blamed for our woes. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Haha, I think we were on two different wavelengths, there. I reread what you said and agree with your point; mine is just that I'm tired of seeing only the coaching staff getting blamed for our woes. Sorry for any confusion.

As the old saying goes: Players win, coaches lose. Unlike what some posters are trying to portray, though, I am completely impartial in where to point the finger. This is why, in the first few years of seeing said arguments, I rebuked them. Sure, I forwarded one person's thoughts in 2010, and that thought is still mistaken as my own by a certain poster, and I believe it is for the reason FreshFish posted recently. Players aren't meshing, OK that's going to happen, so on and so forth. They choke in a "big game", OK some players can have that happen to them, so on and so forth. Now that we've had seven years of this, it's time to look beyond the players, because they've been in and out.

To think that anyone, including myself, expects this team to be 100% all day every day is just foolish. No one can expect that (unless of course your name is Herman Boone). However, insanity is performing the same action expecting a different result.

 

[johnk]

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I recall a lot of issues near the end of the Fridgen era.

You do? You want to share those. His last two years were 2 of his worst and if you add up that winning % compared to the last 8 years, tell me where you end up. Still waiting for another poster who bashed the "Fridgen era" to tell me what was so wrong with it. Matter of fact, any of you that are so happy with where this program is at tell me what was wrong with that era cause I'm sick of hearing about how bad all those 20 win seasons and trips to the ECAC's were. Now unlike some other unnamed nut job on here, I can see some light at the end of the tunnel with the future of this program and growth in a very young coach but the bashing of a guy who had MUCH better results in his first 7 years is unfair and flat out wrong.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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You do? You want to share those. His last two years were 2 of his worst and if you add up that winning % compared to the last 8 years, tell me where you end up. Still waiting for another poster who bashed the "Fridgen era" to tell me what was so wrong with it. Matter of fact, any of you that are so happy with where this program is at tell me what was wrong with that era cause I'm sick of hearing about how bad all those 20 win seasons and trips to the ECAC's were. Now unlike some other unnamed nut job on here, I can see some light at the end of the tunnel with the future of this program and growth in a very young coach but the bashing of a guy who had MUCH better results in his first 7 years is unfair and flat out wrong.

If it's light and not an oncoming freight train, the man should be able to prove it. As far as I can tell, it isn't going to happen. Refer to Sully's Brown rule.

 

[jmhusker]

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However, insanity is performing the same action expecting a different result.

Maybe but watching a coin toss come up tails several times in a row and declaring that tails is the inevitable result for all future chances is equally dumb.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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You do? You want to share those. His last two years were 2 of his worst and if you add up that winning % compared to the last 8 years, tell me where you end up. Still waiting for another poster who bashed the "Fridgen era" to tell me what was so wrong with it. Matter of fact, any of you that are so happy with where this program is at tell me what was wrong with that era cause I'm sick of hearing about how bad all those 20 win seasons and trips to the ECAC's were. Now unlike some other unnamed nut job on here, I can see some light at the end of the tunnel with the future of this program and growth in a very young coach but the bashing of a guy who had MUCH better results in his first 7 years is unfair and flat out wrong.

We were going downhill during Fridgen's last few years. We were unable to win any recruiting battles at the end, guys like Colin Greening. He did OK with the talent he had but the team seemed to be in a death spiral at the end.

 

[Red Cloud]

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We were going downhill during Fridgen's last few years. We were unable to win any recruiting battles at the end, guys like Colin Greening. He did OK with the talent he had but the team seemed to be in a death spiral at the end.

This is about right. I don't think anyone can have too much of a problem with the Fridgen era between 1994 when he took over and roughly 2001 or so, those were routinely good teams, many of which just barely missed out on going to the NCAAs. The 2001-02 team had a remarkable resurgence in January that produced a good end to what had been a tough year.

After that, I think the recruiting issues were becoming very noticeable, we were definitely losing battles for top level guys regularly. We got by for a few years on the talent of the very best guys on the team, but it was obvious after a while that the tide of the team was moving in the wrong direction.

Then Appert came in and pretty much burned the program to the ground with a purpose - to build it back up. It's evident in the struggles of the first three years of his direction that it wasn't going to be a matter of flipping a switch. But here we now stand, with three winning seasons in the last four, likely to become four in the last five. The trend is now upward. I don't think you can look at the 2004-05 Engineers and see a team that had a better than average shot at playing in the NCAAs. You look at this year's team, and next year's team, and I'm reasonably certain that you do. The preseason polls are indeed meaningless when the puck hits the ice, but people who know something about hockey had some high expectations for this team this season. Are they reaching those expectations? I don't think they are quite yet.

Yale had some pretty high expectations last year and they were in a pretty rough spot during the regular season, too.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Maybe but watching a coin toss come up tails several times in a row and declaring that tails is the inevitable result for all future chances is equally dumb.

There's no proof as of this moment that any results stemming from the given constants are independent.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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This is about right. I don't think anyone can have too much of a problem with the Fridgen era between 1994 when he took over and roughly 2001 or so, those were routinely good teams, many of which just barely missed out on going to the NCAAs. The 2001-02 team had a remarkable resurgence in January that produced a good end to what had been a tough year.

After that, I think the recruiting issues were becoming very noticeable, we were definitely losing battles for top level guys regularly. We got by for a few years on the talent of the very best guys on the team, but it was obvious after a while that the tide of the team was moving in the wrong direction.

Then Appert came in and pretty much burned the program to the ground with a purpose - to build it back up. It's evident in the struggles of the first three years of his direction that it wasn't going to be a matter of flipping a switch. But here we now stand, with three winning seasons in the last four, likely to become four in the last five. The trend is now upward. I don't think you can look at the 2004-05 Engineers and see a team that had a better than average shot at playing in the NCAAs. You look at this year's team, and next year's team, and I'm reasonably certain that you do. The preseason polls are indeed meaningless when the puck hits the ice, but people who know something about hockey had some high expectations for this team this season. Are they reaching those expectations? I don't think they are quite yet.

Yale had some pretty high expectations last year and they were in a pretty rough spot during the regular season, too.

The difference between Ylae* and RPI is that one team has actually had postseason success, one season of which resulted in us backing into the national picture. Brown rule.

 

[FreshFish]

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The team has talent, but has a little bit of struggle playing for 60 minutes. I'm not sure how losing your focus and drive during a game is entirely the fault of coaching staff. But, let's remove players from the equation entirely, because that makes complete sense.

Well, I have to do a bit of fence-straddling here.

From time to time, you do see a team that maintains focus and drive throughout a game, no matter what the score.

On the other hand, the coach of a team like that is also an extraordinary, once-in-a-lifetime genius (like John Wooden in men's college basketball, or Geno Auriemma in women's college basketball. Their players are still diving for loose balls with five minutes left in the game when they are ahead by 35 points!). Do you criticize someone who might easily be considered "very very good" merely because they are not the very best that has ever lived?

How many coaches are out there right now who don't face similar problems with their teams? If our OGC is in the top 15%, say, are we going to kvetch because he's not in the top 5%?


of course the impending approach of the full moon is just a coincidence, all this howling and baying would occur no matter where we are in the lunar cycle, eh?

 

[FreshFish]

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insanity is performing the same action expecting a different result.

I defer to your considerable experience in this area.

 

[Ralph Baer]

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of course the impending approach of the full moon is just a coincidence, all this howling and baying would occur no matter where we are in the lunar cycle, eh?

Don't forget that it is Friday the 13th.

 

[Red Cloud]

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The difference between Ylae* and RPI is that one team has actually had postseason success, one season of which resulted in us backing into the national picture. Brown rule.

You're hopeless. By the way, this "Brown rule" is a figment of your ****ing imagination.

 

[fishcore12]

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I was wondering if Flagdude could run down or list these so-called rules he keeps throwing out...my mind is blown trying to figure out all these rules and laws based off of this game we enjoy.

 

[Stay@homeDad]

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Obviously Flagdud has never played hockey in his life. Why do you all keep fueling the fire for him? From things I have read that he has put on here I am not even sure he has ever played sport in his life.