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RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread

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Ralph Baer said:
That problem potentially arises every time that a coach leaves now.
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That was my point, but the scenario is getting worse every year. 5-10 years ago most teams had at most one or two players recruited more than a year ahead and a significant percentage, had none. For axample, when Seth was hired in the spring of '06 the only commitment we had beyond the upcoming season was Joel Malchuk. Now, we already have 5 in January and there are other schools that have twice as many. Some have effectively filled their 2013 slots and are heavily working 2014 and beyond. Changing coaches could have a detrimental recruiting impact for 2-3 years.
 
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23 Riley Bourbonnais   LC Cedar Rapids RoughRiders (USHL) 2012  08/08/93 5'10" 191 Rochester, NY        27-10- 8- 18- 10 01/27/12 #824
12 Miloš Bubela        RC Dubuque Fighting Saints (USHL)  12/13 08/25/92 6'02" 186 Banska Bystrica SVK   3- 1- 1-  2-  0 01/27/12 #826
 3 Chris Bradley *     LD Youngstown Phantoms (USHL)      2012  05/20/93 6'04" 190 Williamsville NY     29- 5- 6- 11-  8 01/26/12 #843
12 Jimmy DeVito        RW Chicago Steel (USHL)            2013  04/02/94 5'11" 165 Bloomingdale IL      32- 4-10- 14- 69 01/27/12 #843
22 Charles Manley      LD Selects Hockey Academy U16      2014  07/16/96 5'08" 150 Orchard Park NY       0- 0- 0-  0-  0 01/25/12 no stats
27 Drew Melanson       LW Delbarton School (Gordon Conf)  13/14 01/10/95 5'11" 145 Paramus NJ           12- 8-18- 26-  x 01/24/12 #801
26 Mark Miller *        F Omaha Lancers (USHL)            2012  07/26/92 5'11" 180 Massena NY           33- 5- 1-  6- 17 01/27/12 #825
11 Jake Wood           LW Junior Bobcats U-18 Elite       2013  08/06/93 5'08" 170 Georgetown ON        17- 4- 5-  9-  0 season over, incomplete
23                        Gunnery School (NEPSHC)                                                       13- 5-14- 19-  x 01/23/12 #805 missing games
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15 Mike Zalewski *     LW Vernon Vipers (BCHL)            2012  08/18/92 6'03" 205 New Hartford NY      41-22-28- 50- 57 01/27/12 #829
33 Jason Kasdorf        G Des Moines Buccaneers (USHL)    2012  05/18/92 6'03" 190 Winnipeg MB      24-10-10-2-3.19-.903 01/27/12 #827

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24 Brandi Banks *       D Stoney Creek Sabres (PWHL)      2012  05/11/94 5'08" 140 Burlington ON        22- 1-12- 13- 14 01/27/12
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10 Lauren Wash *        F New Jersey Rockets U19          2012  06/24/94 5'04" 115 Belle Mead NJ         0- 0- 0-  0-  0 02/04/12 no stats

* In the RPI directory
 
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rpi82 said:
That was my point, but the scenario is getting worse every year. 5-10 years ago most teams had at most one or two players recruited more than a year ahead and a significant percentage, had none. For axample, when Seth was hired in the spring of '06 the only commitment we had beyond the upcoming season was Joel Malchuk. Now, we already have 5 in January and there are other schools that have twice as many. Some have effectively filled their 2013 slots and are heavily working 2014 and beyond. Changing coaches could have a detrimental recruiting impact for 2-3 years.
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I realize that the situation has been getting worse with schools recruiting players not in high school yet. I do have to mention that Fridgen was not receiving commitments in advance near as much as other coaches of his time. With most others we would have had more than one advance recruit when SA took over.
 
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Ralph Baer said:
I realize that the situation has been getting worse with schools recruiting players not in high school yet. I do have to mention that Fridgen was not receiving commitments in advance near as much as other coaches of his time. With most others we would have had more than one advance recruit when SA took over.
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It's true that Fridge was very late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him. At this point in the '05-'06 season (Fridgen's last), ECAC teams had just 5 players committed for '07 (source: Heisenberg's '07 class list commit dates). That compares with over 50 on Heisenberg's latest list for '13 and after. Even by the time Seth was hired in mid-April of '06 there were only 18 commits** for '07. By mid-April this year several teams will probably be focused on '14 and after as they will be almost done for '13.

Admittedly the ECAC was later to the party of recruiting players several years ahead of enrollment, but the numbers above are emblematic of the major shift in recruiting in the last 5-10 years. There will certainly be coaches that are surprisingly successful or unsuccessful using inherited players or recruits, but a coach being hired today really won't have majority of his own recruits on the ice until at least his fourth year and often later. That definitely complicates firing, hiring and performance evaluation decisions.


** It was a nicely even distribution - 3 schools each with 0, 1, 2 and 3 '07 recruits by 4/19/06.
 
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rpi82 said:
It's true that Fridge was late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him. At this point in the '05-'06 season (Fridgen's last), ECAC teams had just 5 players committed for '07 (source: Heisenberg's '07 class list commit dates). That compares with over 50 on Heisenberg's latest list for '13 and after. Even by the time Seth was hired in mid-April of '06 there were only 18 commits** for '07. By mid-April this year several teams will probably be focused on '14 and after as they will be almost done for '13.

Admittedly the ECAC was later to the party of recruiting players several years ahead of enrollment, but the numbers above are emblematic of the major shift in recruiting in the last 5-10 years. There will certainly be coaches that are surprisingly successful or unsuccessful using inherited players or recruits, but a coach being hired today really won't have majority of his own recruits on the ice until at least his fourth year and often later. That definitely complicates firing, hiring and performance evaluation decisions.


** It was a nicely even distribution - 3 schools each with 0, 1, 2 and 3 '07 recruits by 4/19/06.
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We aren't far away from being done with 2013 except on D. Assuming that Kasdorf is coming, we will probably get a walkon for #3 goalie when Merriam leaves. On D we are losing Bailen then and Bergin either this fall or in 2013. Leonard is one replacement, and we will need one or two more. This year we are lsoing 5 forwards and next year 3 more. Zalewski, Miller, Bourbonnais, and perhaps Wood for this seaon, but we could stop with 4, although it seems we will try to get one more. The following year Bubela (who may come this fall), DeVito, and Wood, and perhaps also Melanson. I again suspect we want one more.
 
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rpi82 said:
It's true that Fridge was very late to the early recruiting game but other ECAC schools weren't that far ahead of him.
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I believe this was strategic as opposed to being late. I do remember that some of his best recruits were late commits.

I also see this as a double edged sword. For example, there are early commits from various programs who spend more time than originally planned playing an extra year or two of junior hockey due to a lack of developing to projected potential.
 
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sk8tronthepond said:
I believe this was strategic as opposed to being late. I do remember that some of his best recruits were late commits.

I also see this as a double edged sword. For example, there are early commits from various programs who spend more time than originally planned playing an extra year or two of junior hockey due to a lack of developing to projected potential.
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Let's face it, a lot of the best recruits are snapped up early. Clearly some of thosse turn out not to be so good, and some that are passed on early get better, but most of the blue chippers are recognized severl eyars befor college.
 
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Interesting to note also the difficulty of determining which "child prodigies" are simply players who peak earlier in life - especially prevalent in soccer. Freddy Adu was supposed to be the player who put American soccer on the map when he was signed to DC United at age 14. Eight years later he's a role player for an MLS team and only an occasional call-up to the national team.

But of course, for every Freddy Adu out there, there's also a Wayne Gretzky or Tiger Woods.
 
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Very true. Also, look at Chase Polacek. Late pick-up, undrafted (mainly because of size), but a two-time ECAC Player of the Year. Recruiting is a box of chocolates.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Very true. Also, look at Chase Polacek. Late pick-up, undrafted (mainly because of size), but a two-time ECAC Player of the Year. Recruiting is a box of chocolates.
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RPI 2011 - 12 Recruit Thread Part II: Recruiting is a box of chocolates ;)
 
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Red Cloud said:
Interesting to note also the difficulty of determining which "child prodigies" are simply players who peak earlier in life - especially prevalent in soccer. Freddy Adu was supposed to be the player who put American soccer on the map when he was signed to DC United at age 14. Eight years later he's a role player for an MLS team and only an occasional call-up to the national team.

But of course, for every Freddy Adu out there, there's also a Wayne Gretzky or Tiger Woods.
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RC-Way back in the old days when i was still in training in Medicine at BU-there was talk of some kid hockey player coming who was going to just revolutionize the Boston Bruins and lead them to success. He wasn't quite 14 or 15 at the time and I just ignored what was being said. I think the kid was named Orr. But as i mentioned before-it is usually impossible to predict how these 13 year old kids will be in the 6 or 7 years it takes to reach the NCAA. Their bone and muscle development is not even close to being finished. Whatever skills they possess at that age may make them attractive to recruit but all of these coaches have to have a crystal ball to be able to try to predict how they will turn out. That being said-we have had a chance to watch this youngster Melanson over a period of time now-he is progressing quite nicely. I think we may have quite a find here but I don't expect to see him in Troy for at least 2 more years if not 3.
 
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