>>>>> RIT TIGERS 2012-2013 - Locked, Loaded, And Ready To Roar <<<<<

[TigerFan86-87]

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This is the downside to becoming a more of a community event and not a college event. The administration feels the need to make sure nobody is offended and thus take all of the fun out of things. The other problem with the CC is that some people feel the need to be "leaders" and run the CC instead of letting the CC be spontaneous. These leaders get suckered by the Administration that the changes are "for the good of the program" or some other such BS. Thus the cheers become very regimented and even the timing becomes routine. I have seen this same thing happen at other rinks too. It's really a shame. Ugh.

I've never been a CC member, but I do remember a time (can't remember the exact year) in the mid-to-late-90's during Hoffberg's tenure when the Coach (I'm guessing bowing to pressure from the administration) left notes on our seats (mainly directed at the Corner Crew) requesting that the organized profanity stop. To that point, the reins had never appeared to have been tightened on the CC (or at least not to the point of enforcement). The argument they made was something to the effect that NCAA reps were watching and if RIT had any shot of hosting the D-III Final Four games, the profane cheers had to stop. If I remember correctly, the note suggested that instead of a chant of "BULLSH**", a team supporting cheer of "DEFENSE" would be more appropriate. It also requested that instead of responding to the "WHAT'S... HIS... NAME?" with "A**HOLE" that something more tame like "LOOOOSER" would be more appropriate. The latter began that night and has stuck ever since, oddly enough. I don't think any hockey fans anywhere (college or otherwise) have given up chanting "B-S" when they disagree with a penalty call. That one will never die.

 

[cplinford]

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The second because he was slow. And the third was because the D wasn't helping and because he went down waaaaaayyyyyy to soon.

I don't know how much I can't fault him on that it was essentially a break away and he picked a corner. I can see the points on the other 2

 

[MattS]

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I don't know how much I can't fault him on that it was essentially a break away and he picked a corner. I can see the points on the other 2

Which are you talking about? The second or the third goal?

 

[MattS]

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I've never been a CC member, but I do remember a time (can't remember the exact year) in the mid-to-late-90's during Hoffberg's tenure when the Coach (I'm guessing bowing to pressure from the administration) left notes on our seats (mainly directed at the Corner Crew) requesting that the organized profanity stop. To that point, the reins had never appeared to have been tightened on the CC (or at least not to the point of enforcement). The argument they made was something to the effect that NCAA reps were watching and if RIT had any shot of hosting the D-III Final Four games, the profane cheers had to stop. If I remember correctly, the note suggested that instead of a chant of "BULLSH**", a team supporting cheer of "DEFENSE" would be more appropriate. It also requested that instead of responding to the "WHAT'S... HIS... NAME?" with "A**HOLE" that something more tame like "LOOOOSER" would be more appropriate. The latter began that night and has stuck ever since, oddly enough. I don't think any hockey fans anywhere (college or otherwise) have given up chanting "B-S" when they disagree with a penalty call. That one will never die.

I was at RIT when this happened. And you're right that was when the Administration started it's crack down on the CC.

 

[FlagDUDE08]

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Also for the record and on the opinion side, I was a little unimpressed at the behavior of the Clarkson pep band. I’ve been watching college hockey since 98 and seen and heard a lot. I’ve seen pep bands participate in colorful cheers with the student section and I am fine with that going on. Even though I agree with them that I think our pep band is mature enough to go “unplugged”, I thought it was a little unclassy for them to be poking fun at the RIT pep band when they (meaning Clarkson’s pep band) were invited guests playing at RIT’s arena.

As I said this is college hockey and I have thick skin, but I do think an official pep band is more representative of the institute they are from and therefore should be held at a higher standard and should not be disrespectful towards another pep band. It was justice, and funny to see that not so horizontally challenged loud mouth with the hat mess up his trumpet solo.

There also were some coordination issues, with them playing when music was playing or the RIT cheer was started, but I give them a pass on that. At least I believe RIT needs to do a better job of working another pep band into the game. I do love having another schools pep band at a game…

Sounds tame of them...

 

[Tom Naeger]

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Thanks for the video post! It's much clearer to see than on the America One feed. Not to pile on here but, the first two Clarkson goals were a little nausea inducing too. The first goal through Watson's five-hole was ridiculous. I think Clarkson could have kicked a soccer ball through that huge hole. Watson barely moved. I don't think you can fault the defense on that one. The second goal wasn't exactly world-class either. Again, Watson didn't seem to react to the puck at all, like he didn't even see it. You could argue that defensive play(not necessarily just by defensemen) could have been better on that one.

Watson could have def done better job on the first goal. Five hole was wide open and not sure what he is doing with his stick. No fault at all on the defensive end it was more of a forward mistake. Some guys just have a sense of where to be for rebounds, no one on this team seems to have that sense. Hartley can't get the handle on a big rebound, Cole crashes the net, and I think its Garbo tries to knock the puck to him but ends up knocking it by him and that starts the rush the other way. I was ponding the railing as Clarkson was breaking back the other way, hard to see a rebound chance like that turn on to a 2 on 1 the other way. And the way things are going you just knew that was going to end up in the back of the net.

2nd goal maybe Watson could have been out more, I thought it was a pretty good rising shot. That is a stop a goal who in the zone may stop, but heard to make have the courage to come out when you are getting shelled with 40 shots and your defense takes no one out infront of the net. The real key on that play was a poor read by Saracino. Grabo did a great job of skating back and cutting off the forward, but Cino got caught watching the play and reacted poorly allowing the back side pass and resulting good scoring chance.

And the third goal.... Already commented about that.........

 

[Tom Naeger]

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I've never been a CC member, but I do remember a time (can't remember the exact year) in the mid-to-late-90's during Hoffberg's tenure when the Coach (I'm guessing bowing to pressure from the administration) left notes on our seats (mainly directed at the Corner Crew) requesting that the organized profanity stop. To that point, the reins had never appeared to have been tightened on the CC (or at least not to the point of enforcement). The argument they made was something to the effect that NCAA reps were watching and if RIT had any shot of hosting the D-III Final Four games, the profane cheers had to stop. If I remember correctly, the note suggested that instead of a chant of "BULLSH**", a team supporting cheer of "DEFENSE" would be more appropriate. It also requested that instead of responding to the "WHAT'S... HIS... NAME?" with "A**HOLE" that something more tame like "LOOOOSER" would be more appropriate. The latter began that night and has stuck ever since, oddly enough. I don't think any hockey fans anywhere (college or otherwise) have given up chanting "B-S" when they disagree with a penalty call. That one will never die.

That was the Quarter Final game against Amherst I believe, and somehow the idea was to replace the oh $h!T with Oh Puck! Which of course Puck sounded more like something else that starts with an F. Which I am sure some said anyways, either way they seemed to lay off that one after that. Problem was that RIT had an assitant AD at the time for for the next couple of year that was just terrible. Lot of the stuff she did was terrible and I am not even going to put it on the board. That person often lied to the crew about things that had to be done and even blamed member of the coaching staff for it. And let me tell you, I know a few hockey coaches who can swear but I heard on rant that even blew me away.

The current bunch of RIT admin get it well and does a pretty good job. They will need to find a balance, remeber part of the sale of a new arena is to bring not only more students in, but also more of the local community and they know people will look to bring kids when they can get in at half the cost of an Amerks game and not have to go downtown....

 

[cplinford]

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Which are you talking about? The second or the third goal?

Sorry yes the second goal

 

[MattS]

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Sorry yes the second goal

Thanks. I can see where you're coming from. It was a quick rising shot. I made my "slow" comment because Watson never moved once he took his angle placement. The shot was by him and in the net and he still never moved. It was a good shot though and it would have been a very good save if he had made it.

I still stand by goal #1 is squarely on Watson. Goal #2 was equally on him and the D. Both should have played better in that situation.

 

[Chris Lerch]

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Problem was that RIT had an assitant AD at the time for for the next couple of year that was just terrible. Lot of the stuff she did was terrible and I am not even going to put it on the board. That person often lied to the crew about things that had to be done and even blamed member of the coaching staff for it. And let me tell you, I know a few hockey coaches who can swear but I heard on rant that even blew me away.

We're going to agree AGAIN, Tom. She was so bad we lost a pretty good SID who quit out of frustration. I think she was given the job of "taming" the Corner Crew and went about it in a dishonest way instead of being up front about what she was doing.

 

[Ed Trefzger]

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We're going to agree AGAIN, Tom. She was so bad we lost a pretty good SID who quit out of frustration. I think she was given the job of "taming" the Corner Crew and went about it in a dishonest way instead of being up front about what she was doing.

That assistant AD told the Corner Crew that the league was demanding the changes. I contacted the league commissioner (ECAC West) and, while reluctant to address "fan concerns," he said that the requirements were not theirs but were coming from RIT.

We ran into difficulties during that time wanting to broadcast audio from the 2001 NCAA press conferences. It was the assistant AD's opinion that it was not important to her that we have them and she told me that we would not be allowed to broadcast them, despite having followed procedure with the NCAA. We went ahead and ran cables when nobody was looking.

Tom's recollection of the events is right on the money.

 

[kerwing7]

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...(On the) 2nd (goal) The real key on that play was a poor read by Saracino. Garbo did a great job of skating back and cutting off the forward, but Cino got caught watching the play and reacted poorly allowing the back side pass and resulting good scoring chance...

I see this completely differently, based on what I can see in the video. The play started by Clarkson attempting to clear their zone on a powerplay (at approx. 1:03 on the video). The cleared puck seemed to glance off the linesman who was standing about 10 feet from the blue line in the Clarkson zone. Saracino, at the blue line, slapped at the puck to try to keep it in the Clarkson zone. The puck was probably rolling, or bouncing from glancing off the linesman so Saracino didn't get good wood on the puck and it sort of just ended up at a Clarkson players feet (#21), which led to the breakout. Saracino *maybe* could have played the starting sequence of the breakout a little better in hindsight, but the real issue was with Garbo overplaying the puck there.

Garbo was the only other high guy in the Clarkson zone (along with Saracino) when the breakout started. Saracino already had the puck handler(#21) covered along the boards when Garbo came over to help. The puck was out of the Clarkson zone so Garbo, as the high guy, should have assumed a more defensive role and covered the center of the ice (where he already was) to prevent a centering or cross-ice pass. Garbo came across the ice to play the puck along the boards, which left the the rest of the ice completely open for #21 to make an easy pass to #32, who ended up having a one-on-one with our goalie and a wide-open shot. Saracino was forced to try to scramble over to the other side of the ice to cover #32, who should have been Garbo's guy. That's at least how I see it.

 

[MattS]

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I see this completely differently, based on what I can see in the video. The play started by Clarkson attempting to clear their zone on a powerplay (at approx. 1:03 on the video). The cleared puck seemed to glance off the linesman who was standing about 10 feet from the blue line in the Clarkson zone. Saracino, at the blue line, slapped at the puck to try to keep it in the Clarkson zone. The puck was probably rolling, or bouncing from glancing off the linesman so Saracino didn't get good wood on the puck and it sort of just ended up at a Clarkson players feet (#21), which led to the breakout. Saracino *maybe* could have played the starting sequence of the breakout a little better in hindsight, but the real issue was with Garbo overplaying the puck there.

Garbo was the only other high guy in the Clarkson zone (along with Saracino) when the breakout started. Saracino already had the puck handler(#21) covered along the boards when Garbo came over to help. The puck was out of the Clarkson zone so Garbo, as the high guy, should have assumed a more defensive role and covered the center of the ice (where he already was) to prevent a centering or cross-ice pass. Garbo came across the ice to play the puck along the boards, which left the the rest of the ice completely open for #21 to make an easy pass to #32, who ended up having a one-on-one with our goalie and a wide-open shot. Saracino was forced to try to scramble over to the other side of the ice to cover #32, who should have been Garbo's guy. That's at least how I see it.

I think you are putting way too much of the fault on Garbo (who is the forward). I think the real question on that play and most of the defensive breakdown is where was Noyes (I think he was the other D man) and why wasn't he catching back up to the play? You can see him start to pinch in as the puck starts to get wrapped around the boards and then there is zero sign of him. If you're going to pinch in then you've got to hustle back. If I was in Garbo's position on that play I would assume that the other D (who he couldn't see nor could he probably see the other Clarkson player breaking out) would be coming up the far side and pressuring the guy with puck was the right move.

 

[dpm105]

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I think you are putting way too much of the fault on Garbo (who is the forward). I think the real question on that play and most of the defensive breakdown is where was Noyes (I think he was the other D man) and why wasn't he catching back up to the play?

I am not going to say this is good, bad, or in between, but Noyes barely spends any time at the point. Noyes is consistently deep in the offensive zone, many times behind the net.

 

[kerwing7]

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I think you are putting way too much of the fault on Garbo (who is the forward). I think the real question on that play and most of the defensive breakdown is where was Noyes (I think he was the other D man) and why wasn't he catching back up to the play? You can see him start to pinch in as the puck starts to get wrapped around the boards and then there is zero sign of him. If you're going to pinch in then you've got to hustle back. If I was in Garbo's position on that play I would assume that the other D (who he couldn't see nor could he probably see the other Clarkson player breaking out) would be coming up the far side and pressuring the guy with puck was the right move.

I don't mean to imply that the goal was Garbo's fault. He's a very good, young player (one of my favorites), but I think he was over-aggressive here, which may have contributed to the goal. I definitely can't see blaming Noyes for anything there. Offensive play (at least in our offense and especially on a powerplay) tends to cycle more and both defensemen don't sit at the blue line waiting for breakouts. Especially with our offensive-minded defensemen - like Noyes. For the record, Noyes was the third guy back (behind Saracino and Garbo) to defend the goal so it's not like he was completely out of the play. On a breakout like that, it's got to to be all hands on deck - whether you're a forward or a defenseman. "Assuming" (and you know what they say about assuming) someone else will cover the backside or that a defenseman "should" be there to handle it, will get us a lot more pucks in the back of our own net. Heck, we just gave up a breakout shorty earlier in the period...It might be that the whole team is a little paranoid about their defensive play and they are overplaying some situations, which can lead to missed assignments and general miscues.

 

[Tom Naeger]

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I see this completely differently, based on what I can see in the video. The play started by Clarkson attempting to clear their zone on a powerplay (at approx. 1:03 on the video). The cleared puck seemed to glance off the linesman who was standing about 10 feet from the blue line in the Clarkson zone. Saracino, at the blue line, slapped at the puck to try to keep it in the Clarkson zone. The puck was probably rolling, or bouncing from glancing off the linesman so Saracino didn't get good wood on the puck and it sort of just ended up at a Clarkson players feet (#21), which led to the breakout. Saracino *maybe* could have played the starting sequence of the breakout a little better in hindsight, but the real issue was with Garbo overplaying the puck there.

Garbo was the only other high guy in the Clarkson zone (along with Saracino) when the breakout started. Saracino already had the puck handler(#21) covered along the boards when Garbo came over to help. The puck was out of the Clarkson zone so Garbo, as the high guy, should have assumed a more defensive role and covered the center of the ice (where he already was) to prevent a centering or cross-ice pass. Garbo came across the ice to play the puck along the boards, which left the the rest of the ice completely open for #21 to make an easy pass to #32, who ended up having a one-on-one with our goalie and a wide-open shot. Saracino was forced to try to scramble over to the other side of the ice to cover #32, who should have been Garbo's guy. That's at least how I see it.

To me that is just bad hockey. First off, pucks jump hit officials that stuff happens I don’t think you can ever fault a player there. But after that puck left the zone Saracino is the only man back and the Clarkson player already had the puck. It basically was a 2 on 1. Garbo actually made a great effort to get back, but you cannot assume he is going to get back. He is skating full speed with his back to the other forward he cannot see the play develop, Cino can and should have taken the center of the ice and played the 2 on 1. It was just a bad read, something else that happens. But put it this way, even if Garbo did not get there the cross ice pass happens and even if Garbo heads to center he would have had to make a diving attempt to try to break up the 2 on 1, it just a lot easier for the defense to spilt the 2 on 1 then a retreating forward.

Wished we had these kind of play break down discussions more often on the board…

We're going to agree AGAIN, Tom. She was so bad we lost a pretty good SID who quit out of frustration. I think she was given the job of "taming" the Corner Crew and went about it in a dishonest way instead of being up front about what she was doing.

When it comes to hockey I think we tend to agree a lot, stuff that happens in Washington not so much. But hey the election is over, for once I will take Obama's advice and say we should have a beer summit and put our poltical differences aside. I'd even offer to buy the first round, but Biggar gotta get his own Fru Fru juice...

 

[MattS]

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I don't mean to imply that the goal was Garbo's fault. He's a very good, young player (one of my favorites), but I think he was over-aggressive here, which may have contributed to the goal. I definitely can't see blaming Noyes for anything there. Offensive play (at least in our offense and especially on a powerplay) tends to cycle more and both defensemen don't sit at the blue line waiting for breakouts. Especially with our offensive-minded defensemen - like Noyes. For the record, Noyes was the third guy back (behind Saracino and Garbo) to defend the goal so it's not like he was completely out of the play. On a breakout like that, it's got to to be all hands on deck - whether you're a forward or a defenseman. "Assuming" (and you know what they say about assuming) someone else will cover the backside or that a defenseman "should" be there to handle it, will get us a lot more pucks in the back of our own net. Heck, we just gave up a breakout shorty earlier in the period...It might be that the whole team is a little paranoid about their defensive play and they are overplaying some situations, which can lead to missed assignments and general miscues.

So your saying that the Garbo, the forward, should have known that the D was pinching in behind him, and where two Clarkson players are, one of which was also behind him, and yet give a pass to Noyes the D man on a SHG? As far as "assuming" comment, maybe I should have said instead of "assuming" Garbo should be able to count on his teammate playing the correct position and hustling. Your basically faulting a guy who hustled back and tried to make a play while three other players are nowhere to be found.

Oh, and you're correct, Noyes is the third man back after the goal is scored. I'm not impressed. If he stays in position on that play there isn't the breakout and thing might have turned out different.

 

[Loki]

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I was at RIT when this happened. And you're right that was when the Administration started it's crack down on the CC.

The interesting thing with the crack down is (at least to my knowledge) There was never any solid punishment for saying the forbidden cheers. Just a threat that you might be kicked out. If everyone keeps doing it, are they really going to kick out everyone? But the good little sheep didn't want to cause problems, for the other team or the administration, and submitted. That's at least what I noticed. So why not in the words of Ed

We went ahead and ran cables when nobody was looking.

And see what happens after

 

[five8five]

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Garbo was the only other high guy in the Clarkson zone (along with Saracino) when the breakout started. Saracino already had the puck handler(#21) covered along the boards when Garbo came over to help. The puck was out of the Clarkson zone so Garbo, as the high guy, should have assumed a more defensive role and covered the center of the ice (where he already was) to prevent a centering or cross-ice pass. Garbo came across the ice to play the puck along the boards, which left the the rest of the ice completely open for #21 to make an easy pass to #32, who ended up having a one-on-one with our goalie and a wide-open shot. Saracino was forced to try to scramble over to the other side of the ice to cover #32, who should have been Garbo's guy. That's at least how I see it.

I agree - and add in the fact that #32 was able to break away because no one covered him. If Garbowsky had remained in between the two Clarkson players he might have been able to cut off the pass or possibly taken #32 out of the play.

 

[five8five]

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So your saying that the Garbo, the forward, should have known that the D was pinching in behind him, and where two Clarkson players are, one of which was also behind him, and yet give a pass to Noyes the D man on a SHG? As far as "assuming" comment, maybe I should have said instead of "assuming" Garbo should be able to count on his teammate playing the correct position and hustling. Your basically faulting a guy who hustled back and tried to make a play while three other players are nowhere to be found.

Oh, and you're correct, Noyes is the third man back after the goal is scored. I'm not impressed. If he stays in position on that play there isn't the breakout and thing might have turned out different.

As long as I've been watching RIT hockey the defense has been pinching in and when they do someone is always responsible for covering the D position - this is nothing new and so yes, Garbs should have known Noyes was pinching - it's the heart of RIT's power play strategy. I don't know that Garbowsky was the one who was responsible for covering Noyes' position so I'm not going to blame him for that - but I do know that someone was supposed to be covering. This seems to be a recurring issue this year but I am confident that it will get better as the year goes on - it already has.