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Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

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Kepler said:
Featured in Civ IV. :-)

I had never heard of the Tenebrae rite. Another casualty of the changes in the liturgy.

Though I had seen this.
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Try this 90 minutes. For the most part you'll find Tenebrae celebrated in Anglican Use and Extraordinary Form parishes
 
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joecct said:
Try this 90 minutes. For the most part you'll find Tenebrae celebrated in Anglican Use and Extraordinary Form parishes
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Interesting. I had seen that wonderful A-frame candelabra when we visited churches in England.

A very brief synopsis of the service:

Tenebrae is a prolonged meditation on Christ’s suffering. Readings trace the story of Christ’s passion, music portrays his pathos, and the power of silence and darkness suggests the drama of this momentous day. As lights are extinguished, we ponder the depth of Christ’s suffering and death; we remember the cataclysmic nature of his sacrifice as we hear the overwhelming sound of the “strepitus”; and through the return of the small but persistent flame of the Christ candle at the conclusion of the service, we anticipate the joy of ultimate victory.
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Or to put it another way:

After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb. 2 There was a violent earthquake, for an angel of the Lord came down from heaven and, going to the tomb, rolled back the stone and sat on it. 3 His appearance was like lightning, and his clothes were white as snow. 4 The guards were so afraid of him that they shook and became like dead men. -- Matthew 28:1-4
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Here is a demonstration of strepitus. After a long, somber, sublime service it must be both terrifying and exhilarating.

A beautiful example of ritual at its best.
 
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So, I just came out of the closet.

Based on the responses so far, most Christians have given me plenty of support. The ones who would pound their fist, tell me I'm an evil, deviant, confused perv and tell me I'm going to hell are the ones who place politics and religion above all else. I am remembering that these people, even though they get all the press, are a small minority, and are full of self-loathing.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
So, I just came out of the closet.

Based on the responses so far, most Christians have given me plenty of support. The ones who would pound their fist, tell me I'm an evil, deviant, confused perv and tell me I'm going to hell are the ones who place politics of religion above all else. I am remembering that these people, even though they get all the press, are a small minority, and are full of self-loathing.
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FYP
Jesus sat down with every type of person the general population, at the time, considered undesirable. He told the masses to get a grip. Our Pastor brought up that sexuality with things other than heterosexuality was mentioned something like 8 times in the whole Bible. Feeding the poor, widows and children something like 238 times. One would think the message would be to concentrate on what Jesus mentioned the most and his ability to sit with all types of people. THe people he condemned were those who got obsessed with the 'Law' without any thought behind what it meant. Maybe these people don't have a large enough attention span and find that it is easier to focus on something way smaller than Jesus' big picture?
 
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Les nailed it with her edit and bolding. Cripes, the Judaism course I just completed had a homosexual rabbi running some of the classes.

Most people don't give a hell, and will even applaud your determination to be true to yourself, as it is the only choice you've made in the situation.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Good for you bob. You shouldn't need to hide that.
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state of hockey said:
Les nailed it with her edit and bolding. Cripes, the Judaism course I just completed had a homosexual rabbi running some of the classes.

Most people don't give a hell, and will even applaud your determination to be true to yourself, as it is the only choice you've made in the situation.
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The only reason I kept it hidden for so long is that when I told my parents, they lost their sh-t. And then after I came home from NMU, the church just kept going with the "LGBT people are icky" trope.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
The only reason I kept it hidden for so long is that when I told my parents, they lost their sh-t. And then after I came home from NMU, the church just kept going with the "LGBT people are icky" trope.
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Good people, people you love, can still be bigots. Especially old people who were poisoned by even older bigots -- hell, we see it right here. Hate the sin, love the sinner. I really hope everyone close to you eventually gets over themselves and whatever asinine prejudice they were raised with and realizes the person in front of them is the same one they loved before they, gasp, "knew." But even if they don't that is on them.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
The only reason I kept it hidden for so long is that when I told my parents, they lost their sh-t. And then after I came home from NMU, the church just kept going with the "LGBT people are icky" trope.
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Wrong church! Our church doesn't blink an eye to sexuality. The last music director was gay and the one we just hired (the guy went to Calif. to go to school) is a partnered lesbian. SOmeone on the Council is also partnered. No one has commented on any of this, no one feels the need. Christians live here.

My Auntie's church had an out gay Pastor until he went to Harvard for some secondary degree and he now heads one of the largest Lutheran Churches in the State. He is an amazing Pastor! Her church was the starting seed to a huge group for LGBTQ folk who are older. My Auntie- 83- is one of the leaders :eek:
 
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Conversation starter- Our Youth Group is going on a Mission trip. There are strict rules for Chaperones including they need to be non-smokers. They signed a contract with all the rules but never really looked at it.

Recently one of our Chaperones found out this meant NO smoking, not just you could go somewhere else and smoke. She is somewhere around 20-21 and smokes. She does not feel she can do without and feels she should be able to go somewhere else to smoke. Her mother contacted the organization and was unsuccessful in having them make an exception. She is very upset they will not be flexible. Feels this is discriminatory- smoking is an addiction and as Christians the organizing group should be loving and accepting, that if the gal was willing to remove herself from the group to smoke this should be OK. Is also upset because the organizing group is unsure if they can refund all the money. She conveyed this to her younger son who is now incensed and feels the organizing group is discriminating and unChristian. I have my opinion but am curious what you all think. Thoughts?
 
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Conversation starter- Our Youth Group is going on a Mission trip. There are strict rules for Chaperones including they need to be non-smokers. They signed a contract with all the rules but never really looked at it.

Recently one of our Chaperones found out this meant NO smoking, not just you could go somewhere else and smoke. She is somewhere around 20-21 and smokes. She does not feel she can do without and feels she should be able to go somewhere else to smoke. Her mother contacted the organization and was unsuccessful in having them make an exception. She is very upset they will not be flexible. Feels this is discriminatory- smoking is an addiction and as Christians the organizing group should be loving and accepting, that if the gal was willing to remove herself from the group to smoke this should be OK. Is also upset because the organizing group is unsure if they can refund all the money. She conveyed this to her younger son who is now incensed and feels the organizing group is discriminating and unChristian. I have my opinion but am curious what you all think. Thoughts?
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What about alcohol? Same rules? And I would assume that ficky ficky boom boom is out, too.

Sorry, she signed a contract that laid out dos and don'ts. If she had questions, she should have asked before she put her Jane Hancock on the paper.
 
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joecct said:
What about alcohol? Same rules? And I would assume that ficky ficky boom boom is out, too.

Sorry, she signed a contract that laid out dos and don'ts. If she had questions, she should have asked before she put her Jane Hancock on the paper.
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My take as well. You can be a good Christian and loving but that does not require you to accept the person doing a destructive behaviour or make it possible for them to do it. An addiction is an addiction. If someone was drinking or shooting up on their off time that wouldn't be OK with me either but she would most likely struggle with why they shouldn't be given a chance. She is really adamant. With my background I don't have any trouble saying nope.

They have another kid who had serious issues with substances but has straightened out after a few years. They really struggled before they stopped enabling. Only changed when it got really bad and a few of us as well as a couple of therapists told them they needed to get a grip and realize accepting/enabling wasn't doing the kid any favors and was putting the other kids at risk. Now the kid in question is a smoker and knows how to play the addiction card like a pro. The youngest sib has also been taught to be 'non-judgmental' to the point of not holding people accountable for their actions. Makes me nuts.

IMHO A good Christian would pray for the kid but say sorry, so sorry.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
I also get the feeling Fundies in this country would love a similar law, but there's that whole pesky First Amendment.
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The nutbars would repeal the 1st Amendment in a heartbeat if they could.
 
TimP said:
Normally, I'd applaud Denmark for being a leader in the civilized world, but such a crime needs to be punished for its hateful undertones. Terrible for such a great nation to allow this kind of hateful BS>
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Then you are as un-American as ISIS. "I am the Lord, thy God. Thou shalt have no other gods before me," is blasphemy to a Muslim. See you in prison!
 
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