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Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You've already established that you think Christianity is a spotless faith that is responsible for every positive development in the world. That is, when you exclude and disavow all of the folks who've abused the Christian message, because they are "not really Christian".

If you can't see the ridiculousness of this position and acknowledge that Christianity IS responsible for its share of the world's ills (LBGT hatred, abortion absolutism, the Inquisition, anti-science chicanery, etc.), then I guess I have no need to respond to "groupies" either. It's a good thing I've already mostly disengaged. :)
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
You've already established that you think Christianity is a spotless faith that is responsible for every positive development in the world. That is, when you exclude and disavow all of the folks who've abused the Christian message, because they are "not really Christian".

If you can't see the ridiculousness of this position and acknowledge that Christianity IS responsible for its share of the world's ills (LBGT hatred, abortion absolutism, the Inquisition, anti-science chicanery, etc.), then I guess I have no need to respond to "groupies" either. It's a good thing I've already mostly disengaged. :)
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state of hockey said:
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Saved me from typing.

This is a discussion thread so every once in a while I forget what I learned before about trying to discuss. I guess that could come under the category of eternal hope or slow learner :p Eventually I come to my senses.
 
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Couldn't help myself- looked up the verses from Matthew (for those who are actually discussing :p ) Google is your friend. I love the sites that explain the historical context. Even if you don't believe, the sociology of the thing is pretty cool. To condemn the Pharisees would have been very radical at the time.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23
http://biblehub.com/matthew/23-13.htm love this one- context, a bunch of different translations, and a little commentary about what it means.
http://www.bible-history.com/pharisees/PHARISEESJesus_and_the_Pharisees.htm this one has the historical context of the Pharisees

Some day I will figure out how to turn things red and rename the links like Kep.
 
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5mn_Major said:
Show any posting where I said anything against anyone that is not atheist. Any.
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So what is your label for someone who goes to a Christian church every Sunday, says that they believe in God, Jesus, the Apostle's Creed, and all that, and yet turns around a treats his fellow human beings like garbage? By your definition, that person clearly does *not* actually believe in The Word. "Someone who does not believe in The Word" sure sounds like an atheist to me.

I already addressed this...and showed that extremist atheist morality has caused a thousand times more chaos.
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You showed no such thing. In fact, you've said quite a few more times that atheism doesn't actually create anything - it's "just a philosophy of no." In fact, just a couple of posts later, here you go again:

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Remember by definition atheism simply rejects the existence of a god. That is all it does and regarding religious tenants, it doesn't replace them. Hence - 'no'. Atheists can be moral...but it doesn't come from atheism as broadly speaking it provides no morality platform.
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So which is it? Does atheism create problems? Or is atheism a simple rejection of god and the problems come from someplace else (human nature, etc)?
 
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LynahFan said:
So what is your label for someone who goes to a Christian church every Sunday, says that they believe in God, Jesus, the Apostle's Creed, and all that, and yet turns around a treats his fellow human beings like garbage? By your definition, that person clearly does *not* actually believe in The Word. "Someone who does not believe in The Word" sure sounds like an atheist to me.

You showed no such thing. In fact, you've said quite a few more times that atheism doesn't actually create anything - it's "just a philosophy of no." In fact, just a couple of posts later, here you go again:



So which is it? Does atheism create problems? Or is atheism a simple rejection of god and the problems come from someplace else (human nature, etc)?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Qfbrc1jdo
 
LynahFan said:
So what is your label for someone who goes to a Christian church every Sunday, says that they believe in God, Jesus, the Apostle's Creed, and all that, and yet turns around a treats his fellow human beings like garbage? By your definition, that person clearly does *not* actually believe in The Word. "Someone who does not believe in The Word" sure sounds like an atheist to me.

You showed no such thing. In fact, you've said quite a few more times that atheism doesn't actually create anything - it's "just a philosophy of no." In fact, just a couple of posts later, here you go again:



So which is it? Does atheism create problems? Or is atheism a simple rejection of god and the problems come from someplace else (human nature, etc)?
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Read "Keys of the Kingdom" by A. J. Cronin. The movie wasn't bad, but the book has so much more depth.

Another book - but it's out of print "The Cardinal" by Henry Morton Robinson. DO NOT watch the movie.
Otto Preminger destroyed the book.
 
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joecct said:
Read "Keys of the Kingdom" by A. J. Cronin. The movie wasn't bad, but the book has so much more depth.

Another book - but it's out of print "The Cardinal" by Henry Morton Robinson. DO NOT watch the movie.
Otto Preminger destroyed the book.
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That book addresses the topic of 5mn_Major's personal label for a professing but not practicing Christian? Wow - Cronin should have played the lottery!
 
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Started to write this off with the rest of the baseless accusations that came without accompanying posts of mine. But its a valid question. Much I think has been addressed, but here ya go again...

LynahFan said:
So what is your label for someone who goes to a Christian church every Sunday, says that they believe in God, Jesus, the Apostle's Creed, and all that, and yet turns around a treats his fellow human beings like garbage? By your definition, that person clearly does *not* actually believe in The Word. "Someone who does not believe in The Word" sure sounds like an atheist to me.
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I am of the opinion that what one calls themselves is pretty irrelevant. You may go back to Scotsman. But one can't be a Scotsman (Christian) who's never seen Scotland (knows nothing of Christ like behavior). So there are definitely some who do not follow the Word that attend church. They are not atheists though. They believe in God or a god. But if that God/god is not defined by the Word, they are not centered on Jesus and therefore by the definitions in wiki and everywhere else...not Christians.

LynahFan said:
You showed no such thing. In fact, you've said quite a few more times that atheism doesn't actually create anything - it's "just a philosophy of no." In fact, just a couple of posts later, here you go again:

So which is it? Does atheism create problems? Or is atheism a simple rejection of god and the problems come from someplace else (human nature, etc)?
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Atheism does not create problems. Its a simple label for disbelief. As I said before, extremists are the problem. They can be found everywhere religion, atheism, nationalism, ideologies...they are typically negative and not concerned with problem solving. They are usually get negative and vocal, and the worst who can't fine a voice take action (a religious example is Westboro...and separately the list of bad guys I posted).
 
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@CourtNewsUK: A drunk C of E vicar screamed 'I'm from the Vatican, you're ********ed' as he brawled with police after nightclub binge of Biblical proportions.
 
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God: The most silent mass murderer ever

Teen Dies From Brain-Eating Amoeba After Rafting Trip With Her Church

An Ohio teen has died after authorities believe she contracted a brain-eating amoeba while on vacation with her church youth choir.

Lauren Seitz, 18, was traveling with the group from Church of The Messiah, United Methodist to sing at churches and nursing homes when they went on a rafting trip in North Carolina.

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The one-celled microscopic organism commonly occurs in warm fresh waters. While drinking water that is contaminated with the amoeba does not cause disease, Naegleria fowleri becomes infectious when water containing the organism goes up a person's nose.

When a person becomes infected, Naegleria fowleri is almost always deadly. According to CDC statistics, only 3 people out of 138 known infected individuals in the United States from 1962 to 2015 have survived.
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How many more people must die in His name?
 
St. Clown said:
God: The most silent mass murderer ever



How many more people must die in His name?
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I believe you're stretching. Do we blame God when the missionaries are tossed in the pot?

For a real cynical missiomary movie watch "At Play in the Fields of the Lord."
 
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joecct said:
I believe you're stretching. Do we blame God when the missionaries are tossed in the pot?

For a real cynical missiomary movie watch "At Play in the Fields of the Lord."
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This reminds me of a missionary story I heard recently. Dr. Mrs. is from AZ and she has bazillions of Mormon relatives. Many (most?) young Mormons go on a mission in their early 20s to evangelize the faith. One of her cousins was assigned to go to Russia. He told Dr. Mrs. he was very excited quote because I will be bringing Christianity to them unquote.
 
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Kepler said:
She told Dr. Mrs. he was very excited quote because I will be bringing Christianity to them unquote.
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Many young Mormons (especially in AZ and UT, the heart of that whole faith) live insular, sheltered, white bread lives. It's only natural that he thinks his version of Jesus is the TRUE Jesus. The one that has supposedly given him and his family everything.

Mission is when some of them end up becoming apostates. For some people, there's nothing like a big, healthy dose of reality and foreign cultural experience to open the mind and smother the proselytizing fires. It's why the LDS Church has extra "rules" about how missionaries are supposed to live (only read the Gideon Bible and the Book of Mormon, only listen to Mormon choir music, etc.). I'm guessing the rules are broken quite often. Once that happens, some leave and some double down.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
Many young Mormons (especially in AZ and UT, the heart of that whole faith) live insular, sheltered, white bread lives. It's only natural that he thinks his version of Jesus is the TRUE Jesus. The one that has supposedly given him and his family everything.

Mission is when some of them end up becoming apostates. For some people, there's nothing like a big, healthy dose of reality and foreign cultural experience to open the mind and smother the proselytizing fires. It's why the LDS Church has extra "rules" about how missionaries are supposed to live (only read the Gideon Bible and the Book of Mormon, only listen to Mormon choir music, etc.). I'm guessing the rules are broken quite often. Once that happens, some leave and some double down.
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The funny thing is, I've never met an angry Mormon. Closed-minded and intolerant, sure. But never angry, as opposed to Baptists who half the time want to rip off your head and sh-t Jesus down the hole, or even the occasional wretchedly miserable Scalia brand Catholic who wants you to be as maladjusted as he is as he whips himself for his sins offending the sight of the Marble Colossus Deity.
 
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joecct said:
I believe you're stretching. Do we blame God when the missionaries are tossed in the pot?

For a real cynical missiomary movie watch "At Play in the Fields of the Lord."
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Why shouldn't we? Would the girl have been in the middle of a river down in NC if not for God? Would the missionaries have been haranguing the people they annoyed by being the uninvited, imposing visitors if not for God? God's got some blood on His hands.
 
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St. Clown said:
Why shouldn't we? Would the girl have been in the middle of a river down in NC if not for God? Would the missionaries have been haranguing the people they annoyed by being the uninvited, imposing visitors if not for God? God's got some blood on His hands.
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Omniscience + Omnipotence = Culpability
 
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St. Clown said:
Why shouldn't we? Would the girl have been in the middle of a river down in NC if not for God? Would the missionaries have been haranguing the people they annoyed by being the uninvited, imposing visitors if not for God? God's got some blood on His hands.
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And what's the deal with athletes thanking God for their victories? How come no one ever blames him for their losses? [/Carlin]
 
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