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Religion Thread: That's Me In the Corner...

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Kepler said:
I didn't think there was any legal standing to "sanctuary." I assumed Victor Hugo made it up.
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In Midievil times, if a serf escaped from his master for a year and a day, he was a free man. I remember the concept of sanctuary from my grammer school days (and Michener wrote about it in "The Source").

IIRC, if you were within the church, you were safe from the civil authorities.
 
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joecct said:
In Midievil times, if a serf escaped from his master for a year and a day, he was a free man. I remember the concept of sanctuary from my grammer school days (and Michener wrote about it in "The Source").

IIRC, if you were within the church, you were safe from the civil authorities.
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I thought the latter was a conflation of the Investiture Crisis and the Hunchback of Notre Dame. :)

The serf thing was IIRC not really about the serf, it was about town rights. The serf had to live in the town for a year. After that the serf was a resident of the town and only the lord has any authority (even the lord may have been barred depending on the charter).

This also gave the town tremendous leverage over any escaped serf, and typically they had to labor in slave-like conditions or risk being run out.
 
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Lots of stuff about sanctuary in English history. Nobles sought sanctuary in church from one of the Henrys. He technically respected sanctuary by not invading the church but prevented any food, etc from entering the church starving the person out. I remember reading about at least one woman and one man. I think there were kids involved too.
 
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5mn_Major said:
One guy's opinion as reported by right wing watch? Must be representative in the eyes of an atheist.
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Exactly what the Christianists do with Muslims.

You do realize I'm parodying the intolerance of religion X by religion Y, right? My whole point is the vast majority of people think people who say stuff like this in the name of their faith are jack-wagons. That's the joke.

But I guess a cartoon view of atheism prevents you from seeing anything but your hobby-horse.
 
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joecct said:
Two stories on the same subject:

First Things on Bakersfield, CA

From the school board president
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It is now law in CA that your children must be taught how to have safe homosexual sex, how to obtain an abortion, and that gender does not correspond to biological sex. Think of that! It is legally required to teach your children the LGBTQ sexual mores while simultaneously illegal to mention God. I can't and won't enforce that foolishness.

There you have it: A popular, longstanding, and effective member of a schoolboard has had to stand down—not because he does not enjoy the confidence of the community, but simply because he does not accept the latest demands that every knee must bow to whatever the political taste of the moment has decided is non-negotiable
 
joecct said:
Two stories on the same subject:

First Things on Bakersfield, CA

From the school board president
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I'm curious about the law that neither piece cites or links to. My guess is it simply adjusts the sex ed curriculum to account for the additional topics, in which case this is a made up controversy by someone who didn't like change.

The "not being able to mention God" part is ancillary to the first part and thrown in for no reason whatsoever other than to appeal to the usual suspects.
 
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unofan said:
I'm curious about the law that neither piece cites or links to. My guess is it simply adjusts the sex ed curriculum to account for the additional topics, in which case this is a made up controversy by someone who didn't like change.

The "not being able to mention God" part is ancillary to the first part and thrown in for no reason whatsoever other than to appeal to the usual suspects.
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People can mention God. They cannot proselytize. The nonsense that you cannot mention God but can mention how to keep yourself safe was enough to make me thank God that he prayerfully removed himself from the discussion.

I learned about the culture of France but it didn't make me French. I learned about exercising to keep me healthy and that didn't stick either. Being informed about different lifestyles does what? If you are LGBTQ then information about how not to catch or spread a deadly disease may keep you and your partner alive. If you are none of those things it is not going to evince the slightest interest in acting out sexually with a partner of the same sex. What this shows is the guy's ignorance about biology, kids' ability to get information from their peers and his lack of faith in the kids he is ministering to. Rather than believing that teaching Faith at home is powerful, he thinks exposure to information is akin to an infection. The assumption that God will not help the kids do what [he thinks] is right is a stunning lack of faith in God.

This is assuming you believe in his version of exclusionist Christianity. Personally I wonder if he has as much outrage regarding society's lack of support for feeding the widows and poor. Jesus didn't focus on sexuality or sex. No one seems to have their knickers in a bunch that there are starving and malnourished kids/ people while cutting WIC, food stamps, funding for social net stuff. Jesus talked a lot more about that sort of thing so I am guessing He thought it was more important.
 
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If the NRA brought firearms into a school to teach firearm safety, do you think the local populace would have a nutty?
 
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joecct said:
If the NRA brought firearms into a school to teach firearm safety, do you think the local populace would have a nutty?
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A teacher, trained in factual Biology being compared to the NRA? you must have a better argument than that. The NRA is a extremist political organization that happens to be very good at teaching gun safety. (It used to be reputable before they thought politics was their main mission).

I am curious. Exactly what do you imagine they are teaching in sex ed? Has it occurred to you that it is very rare indeed that a kid has not been exposed to his peers discussing almost all of what is taught about but usually with much misinformation? Teaching health class allows the kids to get factual information. It doesn't teach them to do it.

Most good health classes scare the bejeepers out of the kids because they talk about all the consequences sexual activity can have. They impart information matter of factly, not judgementally. A good curriculum does more to encourage kids to think twice than anyone threatening them they will go to Hell. You can teach morality at home. Sex ed talks about what could happen if you behave immorally. Most of it isn't positive. I could always tell when the local city got to the unit for Sexually transmitted diseases. I would have at least a few kids coming in to be tested because they were scared that they hadn't been safe.

Most of them also have units that encourage discussion on the issues like sexuality. My kid's class had to discuss the different positions on abortion. They had to research both sides which means they actually had to consider both sides, not pick one and dis the other. It might be good if adults had to do this too. Even if you don't agree you would at least have to think about where the other side is coming from rather than dismissing them out of hand.
 
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