Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

It's like arguing with a Trumper. Just let it be -- on other topics he can be rational.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

And which four are they? Because you should know that St. Jude isn't a faith-based or even faith-affiliated organization.

Not according to its founder.

This idea resulted from a promise that Danny Thomas, a Maronite Catholic, had made to a saint years before the hospital was founded.

Thomas was a comedian who was struggling to get a break in his career and living paycheck to paycheck. When his first child was about to be born, he attended Mass in Detroit and put his last $7.00 in the offering bin. He prayed to St. Jude Thaddeus for a means to provide for his family, and about a week later, he obtained a gig that paid 10 times what he had put in the offering bin. After that time, Thomas believed in the power of prayer. He promised St. Jude Thaddeus that if he made him successful, he would one day build him a shrine. Years later, Thomas became an extremely successful comedian and built St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital as a shrine to St. Jude Thaddeus to honor his promise.

https://www.stjude.org/about-st-jude.html

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

In what way is that charity list related to the non-action of you praying for someone else to have strength? What relation does your single act of inaction have to do with charities that were founded through religion? You're not rebutting anything I stated, only pivoting openly and badly.

So beyond taking a personal shot, what was your point?

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Hard to make a contribution to a locked box.

I'll pray to give you strength.

Translation: "I'm going to do nothing except act humbly smug towards you while thinking I've contributed something of value to society."

So beyond taking a personal shot, what was your point?

Calling you out on the obtuseness of your reply. Is that not readily apparent?

 

[dxmnkd316]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Not according to its founder.

This idea resulted from a promise that Danny Thomas, a Maronite Catholic, had made to a saint years before the hospital was founded.

Thomas was a comedian who was struggling to get a break in his career and living paycheck to paycheck. When his first child was about to be born, he attended Mass in Detroit and put his last $7.00 in the offering bin. He prayed to St. Jude Thaddeus for a means to provide for his family, and about a week later, he obtained a gig that paid 10 times what he had put in the offering bin. After that time, Thomas believed in the power of prayer. He promised St. Jude Thaddeus that if he made him successful, he would one day build him a shrine. Years later, Thomas became an extremely successful comedian and built St. Jude Children’s Research Hospital as a shrine to St. Jude Thaddeus to honor his promise.

https://www.stjude.org/about-st-jude.html

You must have missed this line:

We are not a Catholic hospital, nor are we affiliated with any religious organization. Our founder, Danny Thomas, was Catholic, and St. Jude Thaddeus was his patron Saint. Learn more about our history and how the hospital was founded.

https://www.stjude.org/about-st-jud...lic-hospital-can-you-say-a-novena-for-me.html

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Calling you out on the obtuseness of your reply.

Of course, you wouldn't understand. Probably enough hard feelings already, so let's move on....the conversation reminds me of a poll that's kind of dated, but very relevant today.

Highly religious people say they’re happier, too, survey finds

And many are smiling. Four in 10 highly religious people say they’re “very happy” with the way things are going in life, compared to 29 percent of those who are not highly religious. But, “we don’t know why they are happier“ or more satisfied with their health, said Pew researcher Besheer Mohamed, a co-author of the report. “We see the patterns but we don’t know what is causing what. Is it that regular churchgoers get something from the church practice and involvement or is it that a certain sort of person is more likely to go to worship more frequently?” he said.

Pew religious landscape research poll 2016

 

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Highly religious people say they’re happier

So are highly stoned people.

Out of your argle bargle there was one truism, though. Frequent churchgoers have a social group in which they have interactions. That is very healthy and it leads to happiness.

Atheists need an equivalent to church -- a place we want to go and a place where we meet other people we like. We have it in college and grad school but those things end before we're 30. Work doesn't count because we don't want to be there and we certainly don't want to be with the people we meet there. Unitarians don't count because they're pathologically lame.

We need a Church For the Non-Superstitious, or something like that. The problem is atheists are by definition skeptical, independent, and not joiners. So it is a dilemma which so far has not been solved.

You've given me something to think about, though. I've always wanted to found a religion and get rich. Now, a church congregation of atheists would have fewer suckers, which is bad, but it would have a significantly higher median of talented and successful "elitists" to fleece, which would be good.

I'll report back on my progress until I'm on the cover of Time.

 

[MissThundercat]

So are highly stoned people.

Out of your argle bargle there was one truism, though. Frequent churchgoers have a social group in which they have interactions. That is very healthy and it leads to happiness.

Atheists need an equivalent to church -- a place we want to go and a place where we meet other people we like. We have it in college and grad school but those things end before we're 30. Work doesn't count because we don't want to be there and we certainly don't want to be with the people we meet there.

We need a Church For the Non-Superstitious, or something like that. The problem is atheists tend to be skeptical, independent, and not joiners. So it is a dilemma which so far has not been solved.

You've given me something to think about, though. I've always wanted to found a religion and get rich. Now, a church congregation of atheists would have fewer suckers, which is bad, but it would have a significantly higher median of talented and successful "elitists" to fleece, which would be good.

I'll report back on my progress until I'm on the cover of Time.

Despite severe depression, I'm happier because I came out and decided to transition. I'm especially happy because I finally found social support and others like me, especially in an area like Holland, MI (Dutch conservative country). And I'm also happy because my life seems to be turning around for a change.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

You must have missed this line:

https://www.stjude.org/about-st-jud...lic-hospital-can-you-say-a-novena-for-me.html

Didn't miss it. Affiliation was never part of the doctrine and Thomas' vision is still firmly in place. But if you have a super high standard for affiliation, there are plenty of other charities that fit that bill too.

So are highly stoned people.

If a joint would help folks around here be a bit more positive...I'm down with it.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Despite severe depression, I'm happier because I came out and decided to transition. I'm especially happy because I finally found social support and others like me, especially in an area like Holland, MI (Dutch conservative country). And I'm also happy because my life seems to be turning around for a change.

I think that's the healthiest thing I've heard in a long time.

I beat the catalepsy of depression by blowing everything to bits and taking everything familiar and habitual, putting three mountain ranges and 3300 miles between it and me, and burning every bridge back. I do not recommend it, but it worked for me. I think it was possible because there's a kernel of hardcore misanthropic loner in me (I know, I amaze you) that I can summon when things have gotten right down to the bottom of the coffee can and the next page is a noose but unless you both have a fully armored central chamber of fury and you hate being there and will immediate exit the second the danger has passed, it's not a good way.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

If a joint would help folks around here be a bit more positive...I'm down with it.

We'll end on agreement!

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Despite severe depression, I'm happier because I came out and decided to transition. I'm especially happy because I finally found social support and others like me, especially in an area like Holland, MI (Dutch conservative country). And I'm also happy because my life seems to be turning around for a change.

Great! Community and boundaries.

 

[MissThundercat]

Great! Community and boundaries.

And the only religious part of that is Rev. Jen.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Religion is like gin. If you're using it that's potentially productive. If it's using you you're in trouble.

Simpler that that. It's a metaphor. If you can keep that in your head then even if your religion is stupid or you're stupid you're not going to get up to too much mischief. But if you start thinking it's fact you're f-cked and those around you who didn't make that mistake are too.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Religion is like gin. If you're using it that's potentially productive. If it's using you you're in trouble.

Faith is a tool. It can help give you strength, cooperate with others, become more positive, determine right from wrong, find support, and gain inspiration.

But as with any tool, there are right and wrong ways to use it. The trick is determining priorities and managing boundaries with others. Finding the right community is very important. The whole package can be amazingly beneficial.

Many here would have been down for hanging with community organizer Obama. Obama said 'I let Jesus Christ into his life' and 'dedicated myself to discovering the truth and carrying out His works'. He called it 'the best education I ever had, better than anything I ever got at Harvard Law School'.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/us/politics/07community.html

 

[joecct]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Blasts from the past

http://www.usedchurchitems.com/

 

[leswp1]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

Blasts from the past

http://www.usedchurchitems.com/

OK, I'll bite- what is the difference between before Vatican II and after for Chalices?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

OK, I'll bite- what is the difference between before Vatican II and after for Chalices?

It's like gluten free. A way to fleece the suckers.

 

[joecct]

OK, I'll bite- what is the difference between before Vatican II and after for Chalices?

From the Catholic encyclopedia:

According to the existing law of the Church the chalice, or at least the cup of it, must be made either of gold or of silver, and in the latter case the bowl must be gilt on the inside. In circumstances of great poverty or in time of persecution a calix stanneus (pewter) may be permitted, but the bowl of this also, like the upper surface of the paten, must be gilt. Before the chalice and paten are used in the Sacrifice of the Mass they require consecration. This rite is carried out according to a form specially provided in the "Pontificale" and involving the use of holy chrism. The consecration must be performed by a bishop (or in the case of chalices intended for monastic use, by an abbot possessing the privilege), and a bishop cannot in an ordinary way delegate any priest to perform this function in his place. Further, if the chalice lose its consecration — which happens for example if it be broken or the cup perforated, or even if it has had to be sent to have the bowl regilded—it is necessary that it should be reconsecrated by the bishop before it can again be used. Strictly speaking, only priests and deacons are permitted to touch the chalice or paten, but leave is usually granted to sacristans and those officially appointed to take charge of the vestments and sacred vessels.

Post V2 you may see chalices made of glass or stone. Both are no nos.

Post V2 saw a rush to "wreckovate" churches, similar to what Henry VIII and his successors did to Churches in England. The sense of entering a sacred space was dropped in favor of plain buildings that would be hard pressed to figure out it was a church from the outside.

 

[leswp1]

Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

From the Catholic encyclopedia:


Post V2 you may see chalices made of glass or stone. Both are no nos.

Post V2 saw a rush to "wreckovate" churches, similar to what Henry VIII and his successors did to Churches in England. The sense of entering a sacred space was dropped in favor of plain buildings that would be hard pressed to figure out it was a church from the outside.

Thanks.
This fascinates me to no end. I imagine Jesus, who preached at the Pharisees non-stop about the obsession with laws that were minutiae, is thinking what the heck??!! Early churches were homes, inclusive and they had all sorts of ways to be inclusive. The celebration was the act of communing during a meal. How far things have been divorced from those beginnings.