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Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

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So today is the "Feast of the Immaculate Conception."

As a kid, I had no clue what it was all about. I vaguely knew what "conception" was (okay, maybe more than "vaguely"....), but the "Immaculate" part made no sense to me.

Even now when I understand the technical meaning*, it still makes little sense to me.....





* It is what happens when you try to apply logic to theology, you wind up with a gnarly mess (IMHO, though I have no doubt there are a few Jesuits around who could actually explain it in a way that sounded like it made sense):
-- because of "original" sin, at the moment of conception for everyone, their soul starts out already "stained" by that sin, sort of our collective hereditary burden.
-- Jesus' resurrection gave us the possibility of redemption from that stain (along with all the other stains we then added by our own volition after we were born).
-- How could the Mother of the Son of God have been stained by original sin?
-- aha, she wasn't!
-- That's the miracle of Her "immaculate" conception: at the moment Her dad's sperm entered Her mom's egg, uniquely in all human history past Adam and Eve up to that point, Mary's soul was the only one ever not afflicted with the stain of "original sin."
 
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FreshFish said:
So today is the "Feast of the Immaculate Conception."

As a kid, I had no clue what it was all about. I vaguely knew what "conception" was (okay, maybe more than "vaguely"....), but the "Immaculate" part made no sense to me.
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Pretty sure it involved Franco < bleeping > Harris. :mad:
 
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FreshFish said:
So today is the "Feast of the Immaculate Conception."

As a kid, I had no clue what it was all about. I vaguely knew what "conception" was (okay, maybe more than "vaguely"....), but the "Immaculate" part made no sense to me.

Even now when I understand the technical meaning*, it still makes little sense to me.....





* It is what happens when you try to apply logic to theology, you wind up with a gnarly mess (IMHO, though I have no doubt there are a few Jesuits around who could actually explain it in a way that sounded like it made sense):
-- because of "original" sin, at the moment of conception for everyone, their soul starts out already "stained" by that sin, sort of our collective hereditary burden.
-- Jesus' resurrection gave us the possibility of redemption from that stain (along with all the other stains we then added by our own volition after we were born).
-- How could the Mother of the Son of God have been stained by original sin?
-- aha, she wasn't!
-- That's the miracle of Her "immaculate" conception: at the moment Her dad's sperm entered Her mom's egg, uniquely in all human history past Adam and Eve up to that point, Mary's soul was the only one ever not afflicted with the stain of "original sin."
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God could not incarnate via a damaged vessel; hence, He had to create an undamaged one.

Thus The Big Guy created an undamaged vessel and by association Sts. Anne and Joachim had a child without Original Sin (who went on to ... well, you know the rest).
 
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar

The Sicatoka said:
God could not incarnate via a damaged vessel; hence, He had to create an undamaged one.

Thus The Big Guy created an undamaged vessel and by association Sts. Anne and Joachim had a child without Original Sin (who went on to ... well, you know the rest).
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Does it matter to either of you (or to many christians, as far as you know) whether that story is fact or metaphor? It seems to me that 5mn, for instance, could accept it as metaphor (though that is a guess on my part, since I don't pretend to completely understand his faith).
 
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burd said:
Does it matter to either of you (or to many christians, as far as you know) whether that story is fact or metaphor? It seems to me that 5mn, for instance, could accept it as metaphor (though that is a guess on my part, since I don't pretend to completely understand his faith).
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For me personally, all religion is metaphor. I'm comfortable with 95% of just about all of them, since as far as I can tell, 95% of every one of them encourages us to behave the same way toward our fellow men and women, and I've read translations of source documents from most of the world's major religions.

My favorite reflection on religion is probably Roger Zelazny's novel Lord of Light.

My favorite religious text is Tao te Ching, and I think Bhagavad Gita would make a great movie (though I am totally unfamiliar with Bollywood, maybe they already made one?).
 
FreshFish said:
So today is the "Feast of the Immaculate Conception."

As a kid, I had no clue what it was all about. I vaguely knew what "conception" was (okay, maybe more than "vaguely"....), but the "Immaculate" part made no sense to me.

Even now when I understand the technical meaning*, it still makes little sense to me.....





* It is what happens when you try to apply logic to theology, you wind up with a gnarly mess (IMHO, though I have no doubt there are a few Jesuits around who could actually explain it in a way that sounded like it made sense):
-- because of "original" sin, at the moment of conception for everyone, their soul starts out already "stained" by that sin, sort of our collective hereditary burden.
-- Jesus' resurrection gave us the possibility of redemption from that stain (along with all the other stains we then added by our own volition after we were born).
-- How could the Mother of the Son of God have been stained by original sin?
-- aha, she wasn't!
-- That's the miracle of Her "immaculate" conception: at the moment Her dad's sperm entered Her mom's egg, uniquely in all human history past Adam and Eve up to that point, Mary's soul was the only one ever not afflicted with the stain of "original sin."
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O Mary Concieved Without Sin, Pray for Us Who Have Recourse To Thee.

(words around a Miraculous Medal)
 
FreshFish said:
So today is the "Feast of the Immaculate Conception."

As a kid, I had no clue what it was all about. I vaguely knew what "conception" was (okay, maybe more than "vaguely"....), but the "Immaculate" part made no sense to me.

Even now when I understand the technical meaning*, it still makes little sense to me.....





* It is what happens when you try to apply logic to theology, you wind up with a gnarly mess (IMHO, though I have no doubt there are a few Jesuits around who could actually explain it in a way that sounded like it made sense):
-- because of "original" sin, at the moment of conception for everyone, their soul starts out already "stained" by that sin, sort of our collective hereditary burden.
-- Jesus' resurrection gave us the possibility of redemption from that stain (along with all the other stains we then added by our own volition after we were born).
-- How could the Mother of the Son of God have been stained by original sin?
-- aha, she wasn't!
-- That's the miracle of Her "immaculate" conception: at the moment Her dad's sperm entered Her mom's egg, uniquely in all human history past Adam and Eve up to that point, Mary's soul was the only one ever not afflicted with the stain of "original sin."
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Ah, yes. Gotta love the Catholic church. Sex is dirty, so save it for the one you love, and then defile her as often as you can.
 
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