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Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
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Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
"Interesting. So when will right-wing Christians acknowledge that the "moderate majority" of Muslims do the same with their radicals, and allow them to be held to that equal standard, then?"
Why don't white supremacists do the same with racial matters? Because the right wing is the right wing first and foremost. Don't think the existence of race, religion, nation states is to blame for bad extremist perspective and behavior.
"Interesting. So when will right-wing Christians acknowledge that the "moderate majority" of Muslims do the same with their radicals, and allow them to be held to that equal standard, then?"
Why don't white supremacists do the same with racial matters? Because the right wing is the right wing first and foremost. Don't think the existence of race, religion, nation states is to blame for bad extremist perspective and behavior.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
How do progressively-minded Christians reconcile the socially conservative parts of the Bible (marry your brother's widow, stone the adulterers, gays are an abomination), with 21st century society and politics? If you subscribe to all of the lovey-dovey/hopey-changey "social justice" ideas in a sacred tome whose writings were inspired by your deity, then surely you don't get to just ignore that other stuff merely because you disagree with it, or because "times change". If God really has changed his mind, then why hasn't He sent us a prophet with an update? Or did He, and it turned out to be even more conservative, nakedly racist, and just plain awkward than either of the first two testaments combined?
How do progressively-minded Christians reconcile the socially conservative parts of the Bible (marry your brother's widow, stone the adulterers, gays are an abomination), with 21st century society and politics? If you subscribe to all of the lovey-dovey/hopey-changey "social justice" ideas in a sacred tome whose writings were inspired by your deity, then surely you don't get to just ignore that other stuff merely because you disagree with it, or because "times change". If God really has changed his mind, then why hasn't He sent us a prophet with an update? Or did He, and it turned out to be even more conservative, nakedly racist, and just plain awkward than either of the first two testaments combined?
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Although divinely inspired, the Old Testament was written via human interpretation. Jesus is God and set the record straight. Jesus created a new covenant - done. Top priority is to treat your neighbors well and believe in God...and God is love.
Jesus says He "fulfilled the old law" and did so by interpreting it. But he clearly repositioned to emphasize that good behavior is my responsibility (or yours if your a Christian) - and not one for a Christian to apply to others. See "don't throw stones" passage.
Although divinely inspired, the Old Testament was written via human interpretation. Jesus is God and set the record straight. Jesus created a new covenant - done. Top priority is to treat your neighbors well and believe in God...and God is love.
Jesus says He "fulfilled the old law" and did so by interpreting it. But he clearly repositioned to emphasize that good behavior is my responsibility (or yours if your a Christian) - and not one for a Christian to apply to others. See "don't throw stones" passage.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Per nutbars this afternoon:
1. The USA is mentioned in the Bible.
2. Obama is the Antichrist.
3. Hurricane Harvey and the solar eclipse mean the end is near.. if not here already.
1. The USA is mentioned in the Bible.
2. Obama is the Antichrist.
3. Hurricane Harvey and the solar eclipse mean the end is near.. if not here already.
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
The new testament wasn't written via human interpretation?
The new testament wasn't written via human interpretation?
leswp1
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Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
I want it noted that I didn't start the fire.
I want it noted that I didn't start the fire.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
It was always burning since the world was turning.
It was always burning since the world was turning.
ScoobyDoo
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St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Jesus wrote parts of the New Testament close to 100 years after being nailed to the crucifix. Fact.
Jesus wrote parts of the New Testament close to 100 years after being nailed to the crucifix. Fact.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
The number of people turning away from the Bible has increased with each passing generation of children since literacy has become the norm.I'll say.
It's all been downhill since kids started learning about racial equality in schools. Why, it's now almost impossible to teach that slavery is a Biblically-endorsed doctrine unless you homeschool them!
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Education and religiosity are inversely related. The US is a spectacular outlier because of other cultural factors (a.k.a., we have enormous swathes that haven't made it to the 18th century yet).
Education and religiosity are inversely related. The US is a spectacular outlier because of other cultural factors (a.k.a., we have enormous swathes that haven't made it to the 18th century yet).
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
But of course...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He'll offer thoughts and prayers, but Joel Osteen won't open his $50M church that could hold 16,800 people in Houston area. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HoustonStrong?src=hash">#HoustonStrong</a> <a href="https://t.co/g1z4Rc1bhS">https://t.co/g1z4Rc1bhS</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/902274634560659456">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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But of course...
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">He'll offer thoughts and prayers, but Joel Osteen won't open his $50M church that could hold 16,800 people in Houston area. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/HoustonStrong?src=hash">#HoustonStrong</a> <a href="https://t.co/g1z4Rc1bhS">https://t.co/g1z4Rc1bhS</a></p>— Shannon Watts (@shannonrwatts) <a href="https://twitter.com/shannonrwatts/status/902274634560659456">August 28, 2017</a></blockquote>
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After seeing what happened to the SuperDome during/after Katrina, he didn't want the place to get dirty.
Also, maybe it is in an inaccessible location?? Like you'd have to walk on water to get there?
Agree, the optics stink.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
You must admit there's a difference between the attribution of certain events to God by individuals in the OT...and specific statements, deeds and actions of Jesus in the New. The former were simple reports of outcomes as reported by humans...the latter were specific solutions given by the Word (i.e., God).
And therefore because it couldn't possibly be documented in some other form...it must be made up? Has to be a top five crutch excuse used to 'believe' God can't exist.
You must admit there's a difference between the attribution of certain events to God by individuals in the OT...and specific statements, deeds and actions of Jesus in the New. The former were simple reports of outcomes as reported by humans...the latter were specific solutions given by the Word (i.e., God).
And therefore because it couldn't possibly be documented in some other form...it must be made up? Has to be a top five crutch excuse used to 'believe' God can't exist.
Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Good to see Christian based/founded organizations taking on significant amount of the Houston relief efforts - the National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster (NVOAD), the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and Catholic Charities USA to name a few.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hurricane-harvey-victims/story?id=49451305
Good to see Christian based/founded organizations taking on significant amount of the Houston relief efforts - the National Voluntary Organizations Active in Disaster (NVOAD), the American Red Cross, the Salvation Army, and Catholic Charities USA to name a few.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/hurricane-harvey-victims/story?id=49451305
unofan
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Re: Religion Thread: ...and suddenly, everyone's a theology scholar
Says you.
According to most major Christian denominations, including Catholicism, the Old Testament is just as much the Word of God as the New Testament.
Not necessarily, but it's highly suspect that you casually throw out half the Bible as tainted by human hands while believing the other half is the literal Word of God. Seems consistency would demand you either believe it all, or none, rather than picking and choosing based on the fairly arbitrary BC vs. AD.
What, the Romans in 50 BC can't be trusted, but the apostles in 100 AD can be?
Says you.
According to most major Christian denominations, including Catholicism, the Old Testament is just as much the Word of God as the New Testament.
Not necessarily, but it's highly suspect that you casually throw out half the Bible as tainted by human hands while believing the other half is the literal Word of God. Seems consistency would demand you either believe it all, or none, rather than picking and choosing based on the fairly arbitrary BC vs. AD.
What, the Romans in 50 BC can't be trusted, but the apostles in 100 AD can be?
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