Proposed NCAA rule changes for 2010-2011

[Russell Jaslow]

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Back when International hockey was "amateur" in the 60s and 70s this was also the rule in amateur international hockey. I remember it being in effect in the Squaw Valley Olympics. (They also split the third period in amateur play in those days)

Interesting. I never knew that. I'm pretty sure it was gone when the amateurs were still playing as I don't remember that rule in 1980.

BTW, I believe there is still an NCAA rule in place that allows teams to request switching ends midway through the third period.

 

[NUProf]

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BTW, I believe there is still an NCAA rule in place that allows teams to request switching ends midway through the third period.

There was a big controversy about the fact that one of the NESCAC teams did make that request at Kenyon during the NESCAC final four a few years back, because the coach (and I don't remember who, but I remember the flap) claimed the configuration of the penalty boxes gave the home team too much of an advantage in the 1st and 3rd period. Mostly, I think it was head games, but it did set off a bunch of whining...

(If you can read that sentence, you are pretty good...grammatically it stinks, but I'm just gonna leave it)

 

[hockeyfan77]

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There was a big controversy about the fact that one of the NESCAC teams did make that request at Kenyon during the NESCAC final four a few years back, because the coach (and I don't remember who, but I remember the flap) claimed the configuration of the penalty boxes gave the home team too much of an advantage in the 1st and 3rd period. Mostly, I think it was head games, but it did set off a bunch of whining...

(If you can read that sentence, you are pretty good...grammatically it stinks, but I'm just gonna leave it)

Wasn't it Colby???

 

[NUProf]

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Wasn't it Colby???

Or Bowdoin - I can't keep those two straight for some reason

 

[norm1909]

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Interesting. I never knew that. I'm pretty sure it was gone when the amateurs were still playing as I don't remember that rule in 1980.

BTW, I believe there is still an NCAA rule in place that allows teams to request switching ends midway through the third period.

I do not see any provisions in the 2008-10 NCAA MEN’S AND WOMEN’S ICE HOCKEY RULES AND INTERPRETATIONS, "that allows teams to request switching ends midway through the third period", however, they could inquire under the following:

Start of Game and Periods - SECTION 52. b. <-- see PDF page 85 of the rule book -->

The teams shall change ends at the beginning of each subsequent regular period. If, in the opinion of the official, ice conditions are more favorable to play at one end of the rink than at the other, the official may equalize opportunities by having teams change ends at the middle of one or all three regular and overtime periods, but not in only two regular periods. Positioning of the benches is not a criteria to split periods. The official must rule that this change is to be made before the commencement of the game or period.

Also, of note, and probably precipitated by the event NUProf noted, is the following approved ruling (A.R.):

SECTION 52. Start of Game and Periods <-- see PDF page 134 of the rule book -->

A.R.: Team A’s bench is slightly closer to their attacking zone than Team B’s to its attacking zone. RULING: The official must deny this request. The only allowable time that teams may split the first period and change ends is when ice conditions (not positioning of benches or any other reason) give one team a clear advantage.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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There was a big controversy about the fact that one of the NESCAC teams did make that request at Kenyon during the NESCAC final four a few years back, because the coach (and I don't remember who, but I remember the flap) claimed the configuration of the penalty boxes gave the home team too much of an advantage in the 1st and 3rd period. Mostly, I think it was head games, but it did set off a bunch of whining...

(If you can read that sentence, you are pretty good...grammatically it stinks, but I'm just gonna leave it)

Yes, that is the reason I have seen it before. However, I find it interesting that norm quoted the rulebook specifically stating you cannot for this reason. Perhaps, disallowing that excuse was recently put in the rulebook.

Many years ago, one of the Boston teams requested this because they felt the benches gave the home team an advantage, and they did change ends midway through the third period. The funniest thing about this, is the Boston team that requested this had a clean breakaway nullified because the 10-minute horn sounded before the guy could get the shot off. The team lost a close game...

 

[jerrynu26]

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It was Colby and Tortorella.

 

[Dyce]

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Many years ago, one of the Boston teams requested this because they felt the benches gave the home team an advantage, and they did change ends midway through the third period. The funniest thing about this, is the Boston team that requested this had a clean breakaway nullified because the 10-minute horn sounded before the guy could get the shot off. The team lost a close game...

Weird...I would've thought it'd be best to minimize the break in game flow by implementing this in a "TV timeout" fashion - switch ends following the next regular stoppage under ten minutes - rather than simply putting 10 on the clock and adding an artificial third-period halftime.

 

[Russell Jaslow]

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Weird...I would've thought it'd be best to minimize the break in game flow by implementing this in a "TV timeout" fashion - switch ends following the next regular stoppage under ten minutes - rather than simply putting 10 on the clock and adding an artificial third-period halftime.

Split evenly means 10 minutes. Unless you're a government official...

They had to put 10 minutes on the clock.

BTW, I did not mention this was a D1 game, and when I said one of the Boston schools, I meant either BC or BU. I could not remember which one.

 

[MikeAnderson]

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Weird...I would've thought it'd be best to minimize the break in game flow by implementing this in a "TV timeout" fashion - switch ends following the next regular stoppage under ten minutes - rather than simply putting 10 on the clock and adding an artificial third-period halftime.

The NHL uses the same criteria when employing this method, as evidenced by the 2008 Winter Classic when the teams switched ends at 10 minutes of the third and 2:30 of OT. Horn blew, play stopped.

* Apparently this was a one-off rule change, though it should make sense for indoor games as well if conditions call for such a move.

 

[WIT SID]

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They had to put 10 minutes on the clock.

BTW, I did not mention this was a D1 game, and when I said one of the Boston schools, I meant either BC or BU. I could not remember which one.

It was BC. I remember going to a game there the year I worked at UMass Lowell and having the third period split into two, 10-minute segments.

 

[jimmy d]

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It was Colby and Tortorella.

That's right, and it happened in at least two games.

 

[Hammer]

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It was BC. I remember going to a game there the year I worked at UMass Lowell and having the third period split into two, 10-minute segments.

I remember the 1996 Frozen Four, 2nd semifinal at Cincinnati. The ice was so bad by the time BU and Michigan stepped on the ice that night they agreed to switch ends at the 10 minute mark of the 1st period. Of course, after 10 minutes it didn't matter, because Michigan had a 2-0 lead that might as well have been 72-0.

 

[joecct]

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Well, it looks like the mind control experiment that is Gary Bettman has finally gotten results..... Can the NCAA be soon to follow???

 

[jordan15]

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there is no chance of the shot blocking rule

 

[dggoddard]

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* Leaving the feet to play the puck. This proposal deals with defensive players diving or sliding to block shots or passes. A minor penalty would be imposed for a violation.

This came up in the WJT Thread and it is an interesting point.

Since the 2004 National Championship game where Denver blocked an incredible 27 Maine shots, college hockey has turned into European soccer. Scoring has declined, players particularly when short handed, slide into the puck carrier and goals have become a rarity. In the WCHA 5 on 5 goals are now infrequent. To make matters worse, pretty goals have become non-existent.

Hockey was not designed to have players lying all over the ice and the shot blocking has made college hockey boring. Goals are more often than not are scrums where the goaltender just gets bowled over. Goals from the blueline are non-existent as well.

Shot blocking takes courage, but it takes very little skill just to lay down on the ice.

This rule change would be a huge step in the right direction.

 

[MikeAnderson]

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Shot blocking takes courage, but it takes very little skill just to lay down on the ice.

I don't have any skill or anything, but I can't imagine it takes too much to skate around a guy who's just laying down, or pass around him.

JMHO.

 

[spwood]

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I suppose if scoring is the ultimate goal, let's get rid of those pesky goaltenders that keep blocking the **** shots that would otherwise go in. One rule change to solve all of the NCAA's lack of scoring problems - NO MORE GOALTENDERS!!!! Who's with me on this one!

Hey, under the proposed changes, would a goaltender still be allowed to leave his/her feet to make a save?

 

[norm1909]

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Hockey was not designed to have players lying all over the ice and the shot blocking has made college hockey boring. Goals are more often than not are scrums where the goaltender just gets bowled over. Goals from the blueline are non-existent as well.

Shot blocking takes courage, but it takes very little skill just to lay down on the ice.

This rule change would be a huge step in the right direction.

I can appreciate both sides of the issue, and "taking one for team", while admirable, is IMO, not in the spirit of the game. But then again, defense is defense and the ability to utilize all available resources within the rules should be allowed, changing the rules to merely to reduce blocking attempts doesn't seem fair either. There is a sport that found it necessary to prohibit “Goaltending” – basketball, perhaps basketball can lend to a compromise solution in hockey – the establishment of a “No leaving the feet to play the puck” zone. This zone could extend around the crease in a manner similar to the “Free Throw Lane” in basketball, in which “Leaving the feet to play the puck” could result in penalty as severe as the official sees fit, from a minor to in some cases a penalty shot.

 

[NUProf]

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perhaps basketball can lend to a compromise solution in hockey – the establishment of a “No leaving the feet to play the puck” zone. This zone could extend around the crease in a manner similar to the “Free Throw Lane” in basketball, in which “Leaving the feet to play the puck” could result in penalty as severe as the official sees fit, from a minor to in some cases a penalty shot.

I think that has some promise - norm, you seem to have gotten smarter since I retired