unofan
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"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yes, in a normal political climate, Gorsuch should be confirmed 98-2 or thereabouts. But you can't ignore what the GOP did to get here.
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Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
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"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yes, in a normal political climate, Gorsuch should be confirmed 98-2 or thereabouts. But you can't ignore what the GOP did to get here.
ScoobyDoo
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They gambled and won. There is nothing the Democrats can do. They can't burn down a house they believe in like the Republicans can when they're the minority. He'll be confirmed. The Democrats only decision is whether they want the Republicans to go Nuclear or not.
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yes, in a normal political climate, Gorsuch should be confirmed 98-2 or thereabouts. But you can't ignore what the GOP did to get here.
They gambled and won. There is nothing the Democrats can do. They can't burn down a house they believe in like the Republicans can when they're the minority. He'll be confirmed. The Democrats only decision is whether they want the Republicans to go Nuclear or not.
unofan
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I agree completely. Doesn't mean I have to like it, and my conscience is clear. I voted for Hillary.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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As is mine.
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
As is mine.
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yes, in a normal political climate, Gorsuch should be confirmed 98-2 or thereabouts. But you can't ignore what the GOP did to get here.
The ends justify the means as far as I'm concerned. I'm sure Merrick Garland is a lovely bloke and feel bad for him, but him in place of Scalia would have completely upset the balance. If Trump tried to replace Ginsburg with the second coming of Clarence Thomas I would hope and expect democrats to do the same thing.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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What balance? It's been a conservative court for near 50 years. You have no right to talk about balance when the Conservatives have owned the Court for this long.
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What balance? It's been a conservative court for near 50 years. You have no right to talk about balance when the Conservatives have owned the Court for this long.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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My wife has one terrible guy working in her office. From time to time she comes home storming about the latest atrocity and always finishes with "I just don't know what's wrong with him!"
He's a fink, that's what's wrong with him. He's going to behave like that.
The Congressional GOP caucus is a fink. We should just keep that in mind. If we're nice, they'll be a fink. If we're mean they'll be a fink. They're just going to behave like that. We can't influence them, we can only control how we react.
Confirm Gorsuch. To be honest in his one statement where he says we depend too much on the courts and not enough on convincing people, he's probably right. That doesn't mean people should be denied their rights, but it does mean that when cases are brought which have massive public approval, like gun control, Gorsuch may well throw it back to the leg and say "these things should be decided in the public political forum." He may not be a hypocrite.
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
"Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?"
Yes, in a normal political climate, Gorsuch should be confirmed 98-2 or thereabouts. But you can't ignore what the GOP did to get here.
My wife has one terrible guy working in her office. From time to time she comes home storming about the latest atrocity and always finishes with "I just don't know what's wrong with him!"
He's a fink, that's what's wrong with him. He's going to behave like that.
The Congressional GOP caucus is a fink. We should just keep that in mind. If we're nice, they'll be a fink. If we're mean they'll be a fink. They're just going to behave like that. We can't influence them, we can only control how we react.
Confirm Gorsuch. To be honest in his one statement where he says we depend too much on the courts and not enough on convincing people, he's probably right. That doesn't mean people should be denied their rights, but it does mean that when cases are brought which have massive public approval, like gun control, Gorsuch may well throw it back to the leg and say "these things should be decided in the public political forum." He may not be a hypocrite.
You're really going to argue Kennedy is some sort of hard core conservative? Roberts is ultra conservative as well? I'll have what you're having.
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The other thing to think about is this. At least as far as my memory goes, if a justice turns out to be not quite what we thought of him or her as a nominee, it is almost always because they are less conservative than thought/hoped. I'd have a hard time thinking of a justice who turned out to be more conservative than anticipated. We haven't seen Ginsberg or Breyer or Kagan, etc..., turn into Alito once they got on the bench. But we have see occasions where someone thought to be quite conservative actually became a pretty solid progressive voice on the Supremes.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
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This is actually not true at all. Somewhere back in the mists of time we discussed quantitative measures of the longterm trending of the Court. The Roberts and late Rehnquist courts were dramatically farther right that at any time since the Gilded Age. The current Court minus Scalia is to still the right of the historical mean. Even a wildly liberal justice would have pushed it just barely to the left side of the mean, whereas Gorsuch pushes it back well into the solid right.
We are emerging from a period of a radicalized right Court. We do not need to go back there.
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
This is actually not true at all. Somewhere back in the mists of time we discussed quantitative measures of the longterm trending of the Court. The Roberts and late Rehnquist courts were dramatically farther right that at any time since the Gilded Age. The current Court minus Scalia is to still the right of the historical mean. Even a wildly liberal justice would have pushed it just barely to the left side of the mean, whereas Gorsuch pushes it back well into the solid right.
We are emerging from a period of a radicalized right Court. We do not need to go back there.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
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Gee, I wonder why that could be?
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
Gee, I wonder why that could be?
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideol...Scores_of_Supreme_Court_Justices_1937-Now.png
According to this, Kennedy is a very moderate liberal, Roberts is an equally moderate conservative, everyone else is between 1-3 "points" (?) of their known leanings. Except Thomas. He's beyond help.
The court has been around 0-1 conservative since 1965. It has only recently tilted liberal, but that's only the median.
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideol...Scores_of_Supreme_Court_Justices_1937-Now.png
According to this, Kennedy is a very moderate liberal, Roberts is an equally moderate conservative, everyone else is between 1-3 "points" (?) of their known leanings. Except Thomas. He's beyond help.
The court has been around 0-1 conservative since 1965. It has only recently tilted liberal, but that's only the median.
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One could argue that advancing age brings on senility, but I'm guessing that's not your point.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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This is true.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/supreme-court-justices-get-more-liberal-as-they-get-older/
But I think scooby makes a good point. Why do they turn more liberal as they get older?
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
This is true.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/supreme-court-justices-get-more-liberal-as-they-get-older/
But I think scooby makes a good point. Why do they turn more liberal as they get older?
unofan
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Roberts is a traditional Republican, and Kennedy is center-right.
We haven't had a liberal majority on the court for two generations, and this election pretty much ensures a third.
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True.
Re: Power of the SCOTUS IX: The outlook wasn’t brilliant for the SCOTUS nine that day
True.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
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Or compassion. Past regrets. Wisdom. You know, not being a cold and heartless conservative being their legacy. Things like that.
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Or compassion. Past regrets. Wisdom. You know, not being a cold and heartless conservative being their legacy. Things like that.
Not according to what dx posted.
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I think a more apt analogy would be to think of parents versus grandparents. It's not easy being the azzhole, but sometimes it's necessary for your own good, and that's the role of parents. Grandparents, on the other hand, are much more apt to spoil the kid, because, well frankly, they aren't going to have to live with the consequences that much longer.
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