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POTUS Elect Trump II: We Are So Totally F%*#ed

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The Sicatoka said:
Not in "Washington time".
It's like dog years.
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It's not Washington time, it's conservative time that's like dog years. "Washington" enacted the New Deal, the Civil Rights Act, the Great Society, the ACA, and none of it took dog years.

"Washington" can get things done, if half of the people aren't there for no other reason than to not let things get done.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
When you come up with a solution and implement it and then someone comes along and says "that's terrible! Get rid of it!" without offering any solutions, you don't help them find one.
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Yep. If they want to fix the things in Obamacare that are bad, and get it working even better for the people, then I'm all for Democrats getting involved and giving their input. If they just want to repeal it outright, then any Democrat who offers up ideas on replacements should be shot. The Republicans have been begging to do this for seven years now. They break it, they bought it, it's up to them to fix the mess they're about to make.
 
rufus said:
Yep. If they want to fix the things in Obamacare that are bad, and get it working even better for the people, then I'm all for Democrats getting involved and giving their input. If they just want to repeal it outright, then any Democrat who offers up ideas on replacements should be shot. The Republicans have been begging to do this for seven years now. They break it, they bought it, it's up to them to fix the mess they're about to make.
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I keep coming back to it. The only "out" they seem to have is a Medicaid buy in for the low income people getting ACA subsidies currently on the exchanges. With that they could keep the promise that the currently insured stay insured, while also getting rid of the coverage mandate as well as the exchanges. Some Dems most likely go along as it gets closer to single payer.
 
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Rover said:
I keep coming back to it. The only "out" they seem to have is a Medicaid buy in for the low income people getting ACA subsidies currently on the exchanges. With that they could keep the promise that the currently insured stay insured, while also getting rid of the coverage mandate as well as the exchanges. Some Dems most likely go along as it gets closer to single payer.
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LOL.

Republicans expanding Medicaid? Please.

They need to find a way to do what they promised. Privatize the whole thing. That means a miniscule tax write off for EVERYONE towards health coverage. The write off will be barely enough to cover catastrophic insurance for 20 year old healthy people. Then, they call it a day and move on. And the beauty of that plan is, bye bye Medicaid altogether.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
LOL.

Republicans expanding Medicaid? Please.

They need to find a way to do what they promised. Privatize the whole thing. That means a miniscule tax write off for EVERYONE towards health coverage. The write off will be barely enough to cover catastrophic insurance for 20 year old healthy people. Then, they call it a day and move on. And the beauty of that plan is, bye bye Medicaid altogether.
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This would be well and good if Ryan was both Speaker and President. As I've said before, Trump isn't going to screw his voters so Paul Ryan can make sweet love to his poster of Ayn Rand in his Congressional office. Those working class rural people in the Rust Belt, if they are receiving gubmint help for their health insurance, are going to continue to receive gubmint help for their health insurance. What form that takes we will see, but the shell game you describe Trump already warned against.
 
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Rover said:
This would be well and good if Ryan was both Speaker and President. As I've said before, Trump isn't going to screw his voters so Paul Ryan can make sweet love to his poster of Ayn Rand in his Congressional office. Those working class rural people in the Rust Belt, if they are receiving gubmint help for their health insurance, are going to continue to receive gubmint help for their health insurance. What form that takes we will see, but the shell game you describe Trump already warned against.
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But the rural people aren't receiving gubmint help. They get Medicare and ACA. They don't get that Government Obamacare Health Care ****.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
But the rural people aren't receiving gubmint help. They get Medicare and ACA. They don't get that Government Obamacare Health Care ****.
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Which they're going to notice when it gets taken away. I can't stand Trump, but his raw political instincts are top notch. I'm sure he realizes he didn't win by much, and if those hard workin' folks in PA, MI and WI lose their insurance or one of their relatives does, there's no Democrats around to blame. You don't need 20-30M people to realize they got reamed. You need about 10K-100K depending on the state they're in. Trump and Ryan have completely different agendas here.
 
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Remember the talking point that it wasn't the Russians trying to help Trump win it was the DNC's fault that they got hacked?

About that...

Top intelligence officials indicated on Tuesday that the GOP was also a Russian hacking target but that none of the information obtained was leaked.

FBI director James Comey told a Senate panel that there was "penetration on the Republican side of the aisle and old Republican National Committee domains" no longer in use.
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Kepler said:
Remember the talking point that it wasn't the Russians trying to help Trump win it was the DNC's fault that they got hacked?

About that...
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I saw that reported a week ago. Then I watched Reince and Trump lie about it all weekend. Glad it's getting a second go round but in rural America the Trump narrative will win the day. Red United States is one big echo chamber. Good luck Democrats trying to penetrate it.
 
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Ahahahaha. Comey tries to deflect the narrative to Russia influencing the election to take the heat off himself for the EMAILZ! stunt, and it completely backfires when it comes out today that Comey knew about Russia having dirt on Trump and he sat on the info while trying to push the EMAILZ! farce.

They're going to absolutely roast that ****er and it couldn't happen to a more deserving person.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
What we're seeing now is the difference between a CEO wanting (ordering? demanding? mandating? threatening?) something done right now* in a corporate top-down structure (and expecting the minions to go and do it because he said to get it done) and how Washington and government traditionally works (wet finger, put into air; survey; try to build coalitions that are doomed to fail at some point; write two different bills and go to conference committee; delay, delay, avoid making decisions; take 'interim' measures while exploring options)**. The culture clash is great circus. But inertia seems invariably to win.

*I hate corporate mandates from "on high" because the ground always looks flat from 50,000 feet. --> "Why aren't you done yet?" <-- Dilbert examines this concept continually.
**Yes, I'll admit that was quite cynical toward government. But, I won't apologize because sometimes gridlock is good.
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Lol. Republicans couldn't propose a plan because of the democrats. Right.
 
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