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POTUS 46:24 - Donald Trump! Superstar!!

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I watched it live and it was weird because some tough words he said fine and then completely butchered the end.

Drugs and/or senile and/or slow stroke.

Who was the last sitting president to drop dead of natural causes? Coolidge?

Edit: I'm an idiot. FDR. But anyway before him was Harding. I always mix those two up.

W. Harrison
Taylor
Harding
F. Roosevelt

Only 4 of 45.
 
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We made Iraq give it back via a major bloody nose. Good time Charlie Wilson made sure the Soviets got a bloody nose in Afghanistan.

We took most of the USA and territories by conquest. Want to give it back?

If the armies of the original inhabitants rose up, they would certainly have a point.

But conquest of space hasn't been accepted as a means of getting territory for over 100 years. Except for Israel, who moved beyond the borders given to them.
 
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We took most of the USA and territories by conquest. Want to give it back?

Not "most." HI, CA, NM, AZ, NV, UT, TX, a hunk of CO and a sliver of OK.

Of those we should give HI independence if they want it (they don't).

Right of conquest has actually not been that common since the 17th century, and we only got away with it because we always picked on a weakling. The nation-state system is like the Shield: they don't want anybody horning in on their monopoly of coercive force.
 
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If the armies of the original inhabitants rose up, they would certainly have a point.

But conquest of space hasn't been accepted as a means of getting territory for over 100 years. Except for Israel, who moved beyond the borders given to them.

They are, I believe, the only nation where their neighbors want to annihilate them.

The partition borders were a joke. IIRC Israel had less border (in terms of kms) to defend after the 1967 War than before their War of Independence.
 
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We took most of the USA and territories by conquest. Want to give it back?

That was then, this is now.
If we annexed Quebec by force it would violate international law and no one would recognize that Quebec were part of the United States. If we then begin building settlements in occupied Quebec, that would also be a violation of international law.
 
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They are, I believe, the only nation where their neighbors want to annihilate them.

The partition borders were a joke. IIRC Israel had less border (in terms of kms) to defend after the 1967 War than before their War of Independence.

Other than India/Pakistan, and a few countries in Africa, of course.

Nice to make an excuse for Israel to take by force area.... Given their track history in how they treat Palestinians, it's really hard to defend them via human rights. We just do because. And that Israel is a strong army where we can find cheap oil.

All this really does is continue the battle, and kill more people. What's the point to that?? When does that ever end? Or do we just keep it going so that we can profit?
 
That was then, this is now.
If we annexed Quebec by force it would violate international law and no one would recognize that Quebec were part of the United States. If we then begin building settlements in occupied Quebec, that would also be a violation of international law.

And if we said so what, what could they do?
 
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I see no one's mentioned the impeachment vote in Congress... https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-resolution/646 (text should come up soon, but it's in today's journal at http://clerk.house.gov/floorsummary/floor.aspx )

Why bother? The cuckservative Republicans in Congress are wedded to Trump and the 1/3 of the voting population he has locked up now. They'll never have the balls to put country over party.
 
Drugs and/or senile and/or slow stroke.

Who was the last sitting president to drop dead of natural causes? Coolidge?

Edit: I'm an idiot. FDR. But anyway before him was Harding. I always mix those two up.

W. Harrison
Taylor
Harding
F. Roosevelt

Only 4 of 45.

The scary part is he likely is in better shape than Pelosi. Have you seen her lately?
 
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And if we said so what, what could they do?

Sanctions? It's what we do.

I'm not sure why you are trying to justify Israel taking Jerusalem by force this way. Makes no sense. Either way, it's wrong. You are just being a dumper by using "whatif" as if it's some kind of powerful tool.

Clearly, you are not interested in having peace between Israel and their neighbors.
 
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Palestinians are not happy. And they shouldn't be. Trump of course lied during his address and said "both sides" and "two state solution".

Democrats need to figure out either:

1. Learn how to lie. OR
2. Come up for the first time a history a way to make Republicans pay for lying.

Or, they're done.
 
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We did? A lot of it was bought.

Did the Native Americans know that we bought their ancestral lands? At the very least, they didn't take kindly to the idea. And then when we sent in the US Army to "quell" the Indian threat, bringing many different groups to the edge of extinction, that seems a lot like conquering of peoples to me.
 
Re: POTUS 46:24 - Donald Trump! Superstar!!

Did the Native Americans know that we bought their ancestral lands? At the very least, they didn't take kindly to the idea. And then when we sent in the US Army to "quell" the Indian threat, bringing many different groups to the edge of extinction, that seems a lot like conquering of peoples to me.

Sure, you could go that route. But, at that time there were not too many people who were on the short end of the evolution curve that weren't getting screwed over by the white man. Put it into any context you want I guess. Doesn't bother me.
 
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Sure, you could go that route. But, at that time there were not too many people who were on the short end of the evolution curve that weren't getting screwed over by the white man. Put it into any context you want I guess. Doesn't bother me.

I'd say its always good to recognize something wrong as wrong. That way we are much less likely to be complicit in repeating them.
 
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Sure, you could go that route. But, at that time there were not too many people who were on the short end of the evolution curve that weren't getting screwed over by the white man. Put it into any context you want I guess. Doesn't bother me.

I'm pretty sure you mispelled "technology."
 
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That was their entire foreign policy agenda from the word go. They softened the language in the platform regarding Russian influence in the Ukraine, and their number one priority starting day 1 in office was to get the sanctions on Russia lifted. Basically give them a free pass for what they had been doing in the Ukraine, Syria, Iran, wherever else. Give Putin carte blanche to do what he wanted to do.

Why, their reasonings, I don't know. It certainly wasn't in America's interests to allow Russia to take over the Ukraine, or to have unfettered control in Syria and Iran. One might argue that doing so would pave the way for better relations with Russia, and arrive at some sort of peaceful agreement regarding Iran and Syria. But is Putin ever gonna come to terms on an agreement that favors the US? Why would he do so?

However, there are numerous reasons why letting Putin do whatever he wanted could be beneficial to Donald Trump personally. And others in his campaign circle as well. This is why they were talking with the Russians, and this is why they wanted to keep those communications secret. And why they would lie about doing something that was perfectly legal for them to do.

It's all about the money. selling out their country for personal benefit. They should all hang.
 
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