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POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

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According to Politico, Nunes is stepping aside from the Russia investigation. I'm surprised, it seemed like he and the GOP leadership had managed to weather the worst of the negative coverage of his stoogery by simply stonewalling calls for his to recuse himself. This probably isn't a good sign, it probably just means he's comfortable giving up control with the understanding that 90% of the focus of this sideshow will now be the Susan Rice nonsense.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
According to Politico, Nunes is stepping aside from the Russia investigation. I'm surprised, it seemed like he and the GOP leadership had managed to weather the worst of the negative coverage of his stoogery by simply stonewalling calls for his to recuse himself. This probably isn't a good sign, it probably just means he's comfortable giving up control with the understanding that 90% of the focus of this sideshow will now be the Susan Rice nonsense.
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Or they actually have something on Trump and he doesn't want to get caught up in the cover-up.
 
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GrinCDXX said:
According to Politico, Nunes is stepping aside from the Russia investigation. I'm surprised, it seemed like he and the GOP leadership had managed to weather the worst of the negative coverage of his stoogery by simply stonewalling calls for his to recuse himself. This probably isn't a good sign, it probably just means he's comfortable giving up control with the understanding that 90% of the focus of this sideshow will now be the Susan Rice nonsense.
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I think it means they are going to spike the investigation and the optics are better if somebody who appears more "impartial" than Nunes does it.

I'm much more interested in Bannon getting booted off the NSC actually.
 
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Kepler said:
That should just be put into the Library of Congress as the explanation of conservative politics from 1978 - the present. It is exactly correct.
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I guess I don't see it as all that enlightening. I suspect that long ago some young Israelite sat uncomfortably in his tent muttering, "SAND! ****ING SAND! Why would anyone bring us here? The desert sucks, this is stupid, and Moses and the Elders are jerks!"


Maybe it's a small twist on an old generational theme that he brings race and gender into it in pointing at over 60 white males as the real culprits. But that, at least as far as gender goes, seems like a bit of pandering as I'm not sure it's specifically true. Perhaps it even undermines the role women over 60 played in bringing the world to this unimaginably horrible state. That's sexist, man!

Maybe's he's right and maybe cable news and the National Review are the mechanisms, but so what? Seldom has any generation failed to find an adequate mechanism for ruining things with idiocy from the proceeding one's viewpoint. It is almost a certainty that today's twenty-somethings will find their own mechanism over the next forty years. Perhaps in the future robots will kill most of us and some kid will again be lying awake in a sandy desert tent *****ing about their moronic antecedents. :)
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I guess I don't see it as all that enlightening. I suspect that long ago some young Israelite sat uncomfortably in his tent muttering, "SAND! ****ING SAND! Why would anyone bring us here? The desert sucks, this is stupid, and Moses and the Elders are jerks!"
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I have no idea how any of that relates to the piece. Here's a quick synopsis.

1. Ailes et al create Fox explicitly as a GOP mouthpiece after Watergate shows wealth can't shape the media narrative anymore.
2. Both Fox and Hate Radio turn out to be gold mines for selling to the reactionary old white male demo.
3. Both the propaganda arm and the marketing arm ratchet each other up peddling ever crazier Eschatological fantasies.
4. Finally the tail wags the dog, and the GOP can't get anything done because they got high on their own supply.
 
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ericredaxe said:
Susan Collins?
Charlie Baker?
Lisa Murkowski?
John McCain?
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Don't know about Baker and Murkowski, but Collins and McCain will talk a good moderate line in the media, but when push comes to shove, will vote right along with the party. Like McCain last weekend, bemoaning the fact that the nuclear option will "put an end to the Senate as we know it", and yet, he's still gonna vote for it. A man of principle, not liking how such a maneuver would destroy centuries of Senate procedure, would vote against it.

I said, a man of principle. Not John McCain.
 
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rufus said:
Don't know about Baker and Murkowski, but Collins and McCain will talk a good moderate line in the media, but when push comes to shove, will vote right along with the party.
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Moderates typically do behave this way. The Whip's main job is to distinguish between (a) votes where the Member is free to vote their conscience, (b) votes where the Member must follow the leadership, and (c) votes where the leadership takes into account Member's particular needs and can horse-trade. The mark of a good moderate is the savvy and leverage to turn important (b) votes into (c) votes. So Collins may in fact be extracting concessions and goodies from her leadership in exchange for those votes where she seems to "fold."

The mark of a radical is the refusal to negotiate on (c) votes. Radicals who refuse to negotiate even on (b) votes find themselves stripped of committee membership and/or doing double duty on the begging phonebank. They can also get underfunded or even primaried by their own leadership and just generally speaking don't last long in a town where you need friends.
 
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Kepler said:
I have no idea how any of that relates to the piece. Here's a quick synopsis.

1. Ailes et al create Fox explicitly as a GOP mouthpiece after Watergate shows wealth can't shape the media narrative anymore.
2. Both Fox and Hate Radio turn out to be gold mines for selling to the reactionary old white male demo.
3. Both the propaganda arm and the marketing arm ratchet each other up peddling ever crazier Eschatological fantasies.
4. Finally the tail wags the dog, and the GOP can't get anything done because they got high on their own supply.
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Well, yes. I read it and have in fact been told my IQ is something above 75. Although to be fair, I have also been told it isn't!

I can see that #4 makes perfect sense from a left ideologue POV. Not really being an ideologue of any sort myself, I think it's a leap and/or an overly simplistic and convenient attempt at an explanation. But since I'm a bit time limited and I think it's a probably fairly large gap in the underlying thinking on that point to bridge between us, respectfully, I'll just have to let it lie where it is.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
I can see that #4 makes perfect sense from a left ideologue POV
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I'd say the actual events of last week can't be ascribed to any sort of POV, left or otherwise. That stuff actually happened. I know the right is not very good when it comes to distinguishing between facts and their whims, but your extremists cut your slightly-less-extremists' throats, very publicly, while every conservative with half a brain screamed at them not to.

You got a better theory about what we observed other than Biggie #4?
 
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I now understand why we misread Flaggy when he talks about globalists. Globalist is alt-right slang for "scheming Jews". That explains so many of his posts that seemed to contradict themselves.
 
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Handyman said:
Suckers
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“[Trump] did say the good people would not be deported, the good people would be checked,” Helen Beristain told Indiana Public Media last month. She said she believed Trump would be targeting criminals.
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And there's her mistake. Brown skin=criminal.
 
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jerphisch said:
I now understand why we misread Flaggy when he talks about globalists. Globalist is alt-right slang for "scheming Jews". That explains so many of his posts that seemed to contradict themselves.
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Yes, and Ivanka/Jared are YUUUGE globalist libs who are working to undermine Donald's promises, don'tcha know. ;)
 
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jerphisch said:
I now understand why we misread Flaggy when he talks about globalists. Globalist is alt-right slang for "scheming Jews". That explains so many of his posts that seemed to contradict themselves.
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The correct term is: (((Scheming Jews)))
 
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jerphisch said:
I now understand why we misread Flaggy when he talks about globalists. Globalist is alt-right slang for "scheming Jews". That explains so many of his posts that seemed to contradict themselves.
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Bill Gates is Jewish?
 
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