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POTUS 45.7 - Has the left reached the acceptance stage yet?

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Kepler said:
Show me where I said that. Further, show me where I said being poor or uneducated was negative.



I'm not responsible for your neuroses. You'll need to take that up with your parents.



Triage. Given infinite time and resources we should help everyone, but since there are scarcities we have to start with people who aren't actively trying to make everyone else hurting or struggling. GOP economic policies have taken the most successful nation in history with the deepest and widest middle class and turned it into a third world country with a few Haves and an ocean of Have Nots. Having wrecked our economy, now they're starting in on our democracy. Fifty years of pleading with the white working class to vote with reason rather than spitefully giving the middle finger to minorities has not worked, and the tremendous waste of energy in the effort has cost us not just the American Dream but now even the American Model as the world's last best hope.

If you gave half the effort into combating the reality of the plutocratic destruction of America that you do to your peevish sensitivity towards language, you might actually help somebody.




That's still not a generalization. You're supposed to say something like "ALL LIBRULS ARE... hurr durr." Jesus, put some back into it.

Or better still get over yourself and start fighting the people who are actually doing the damage in this country. Not every member of an alliance has to be your little snoogums. Give it a rest until we put these f-cks back in the far right / zero power box where they belong and then we can have our duel at 20 paces or whatever. Neither of us can spare the time right now. Help or shut up.
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Ah, name calling and cheap insults. Never fails in these political threads when you challenge something. Oh how I've missed this. Especially since I've been very careful not to let my personal views out. Just an issue I had with yours. If you want the groups to come together, lashing out is not usually an effective method. But who knows. Maybe you travel in different circles then me.

Rather than go line by line, like you did with my post, I'm just going to pick one that stood out since I don't feel it's worth even acknowledging all the petty shots. I can be an elitist too.

You think that being poor and uneducated is not a negative? Isn't it human nature to strive to improve to change both of those things at least to a point where you are content and/or comfortable? That means different things to different people, but if someone thinks that of themselves, they don't often just let things remain that way if there are things they can control. At least that's my experience.
 
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Handyman said:
If people dont want to do what is in their best interests that is their flipping problem. If a bunch of people in Kansas/Wisconsin want to vote for people that destroy their schools and their economy (multiple times in both cases) then too bad for them. There is nothing wrong with being a Republican or a Conservative but when things crap the bed for them (and they almost always do) I am not going to waste one second letting my heart bleed for them.

I wasnt always this way, but then they helped elect a clown as the head of the Free World...a man so unqualified and so ridiculous and hateful that he makes George W. Bush look like General Marshall. This is what they wanted, well they got it. When they get black lung from working in the mines cause they were too lazy or too bull headed to learn a different trade, well thems the breaks. When they knock up their girlfriend and cant get an abortion...oh well. When they lose their job and cant get food stamps or unemployment and Medicare/Medicaid cant help them because it has been gutted...sucks to be them. When they get diseases from use of pesticides that everyone knows makes people sick...they have no one to blame but themselves. When their water can be set on fire or makes Mexican Water look like Evian...well you know.

They knew what was coming, they were told by the clown they elected what he was going to do. They chose to either blissfully ignore that it could effect them or didnt care. Well...see...I am a white middle class male in his 30s living in the suburbs of a very liberal state that has one of the highest standards of living in the country so I am fine. They made my life better. They screwed over pretty much everyone else though (including themselves) so I feel no real sympathy for them. Elections have consequences and they are feeling them.

BTW this also goes for any nimrod that supported Johnson or Stein (those two arent qualified to run a Foot Locker) and any of the dumbass Bernie Bros who either abstained or voted against the Dems. You lost your right to beg for help the second you decided your ideas were more important than what is best for the country.

I hate that it needs to be like this, but if they are going to hate us if we try and help them (which they do) and they are going to hate us if we dont (which they do) why the hell should I care anymore? I will help those that want it and are wiling to help others as well.
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This is interesting. If things are so terrible being a Rep, how do they keep getting elected? Does that mean libs don't have any issues of their own? It swings both ways. Both parties have their issues. Why are health care premiums skyrocketing in the MN Sure programs? How much funding is needed to optimize the public school system? Each party answers those questions two different ways. No one I know is asking for my heart or yours to bleed for them. I work within the system as I'm able. If the system changes, which it does often, I adjust. Changes don't always benefit me, but might help balance things for others. So the big question is where is that balance. Obviously it's not that clear otherwise we wouldn't keep swinging back and forth.
 
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Tiggsy said:
This is interesting. If things are so terrible being a Rep, how do they keep getting elected? Does that mean libs don't have any issues of their own? It swings both ways. Both parties have their issues. Why are health care premiums skyrocketing in the MN Sure programs? How much funding is needed to optimize the public school system? Each party answers those questions two different ways. No one I know is asking for my heart or yours to bleed for them. I work within the system as I'm able. If the system changes, which it does often, I adjust. Changes don't always benefit me, but might help balance things for others. So the big question is where is that balance. Obviously it's not that clear otherwise we wouldn't keep swinging back and forth.
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Yay. More false equivalency for the win. A GOP sweep in Minnesota can't be far away.
 
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Tiggsy said:
This is interesting. If things are so terrible being a Rep, how do they keep getting elected? Does that mean libs don't have any issues of their own? It swings both ways. Both parties have their issues. Why are health care premiums skyrocketing in the MN Sure programs? How much funding is needed to optimize the public school system? Each party answers those questions two different ways. No one I know is asking for my heart or yours to bleed for them. I work within the system as I'm able. If the system changes, which it does often, I adjust. Changes don't always benefit me, but might help balance things for others. So the big question is where is that balance. Obviously it's not that clear otherwise we wouldn't keep swinging back and forth.
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So it's ok to ask don to open back up coal mines? But not ok to ask for more school funding?

I don't get your point.

And why isn't demanding to get jobs that are gone for market reasons not "bleeding heart"? Seems like it. Except that instead of asking to help someone else, they are asking to help them...
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Yay. More false equivalency for the win. A GOP sweep in Minnesota can't be far away.
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Sweep? Probably not. But I wouldn't be too surprised for it to lean the other direction sooner or later. It all depends on what people think of how the current group is handling things, obviously. It will flip as soon as new issues float to the top.
 
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Wisko McBadgerton said:
And lastly, the only point to this was simply that these people would be unlikely to actually die from thirst or poisoned water if there were no Federal government grant. Sorry.
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It's the choice that is funny. Keep people out vs. enhance your water and community. Especially when the threat to them is probably fairly minor.

Fear does wonderful things.
 
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Tiggsy said:
You think that being poor and uneducated is not a negative? Isn't it human nature to strive to improve to change both of those things at least to a point where you are content and/or comfortable? That means different things to different people, but if someone thinks that of themselves, they don't often just let things remain that way if there are things they can control. At least that's my experience.
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So then, why do so many poor and uneducated people vote for the people who cut public education, cut the social services that help support them if they are out of work or going to school to better themselves, don't support job training and community colleges, make it harder for them to get health care, and so forth.

That was his point. these people, again and again, vote against their own self-interest, while sneering about "elites" and "liberal college-educated know-nothings". And their lot in life keeps getting worse and worse, but they keep voting the same way. And now, they're maybe finally actually seeing that the people they voted for aren't looking out for them, but are making their lives worse, and now they're like, "Wait, we didn't vote for this!!" Well sorry, but you did. And if you'd been paying any kind of attention during this election, you would have known that.

And now you want those "elites" that you sneer at to have pity on you, and help you out. Sorry, been there, done that. The "elites" tried to help you, have been trying to help you for years. And you wanted none of it. So now, you reap what you sow. Time to pick yourself up, help yourself. Bootstraps, baby.
 
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Tiggsy said:
Sweep? Probably not. But I wouldn't be too surprised for it to lean the other direction sooner or later. It all depends on what people think of how the current group is handling things, obviously. It will flip as soon as new issues float to the top.
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No it won't. Tim Pawlenty and the GOP destroyed Minnesota's credit rating. Then right after Pawlenty the Republicans took over both Houses and blew their wad on Gay Marriage (Failed) and Voter ID (Failed). Dayton cleaned up the credit rating, and is sitting over Minnesota's great economy.

Yet, the GOP just swept back into power in both Houses again.

It makes no ****ing bit of difference what the Democrats do.
 
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Mike Flynn has offered to testify in exchange for immunity.
 
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Tiggsy said:
This is interesting. If things are so terrible being a Rep, how do they keep getting elected? Does that mean libs don't have any issues of their own? It swings both ways. Both parties have their issues. Why are health care premiums skyrocketing in the MN Sure programs? How much funding is needed to optimize the public school system? Each party answers those questions two different ways. No one I know is asking for my heart or yours to bleed for them. I work within the system as I'm able. If the system changes, which it does often, I adjust. Changes don't always benefit me, but might help balance things for others. So the big question is where is that balance. Obviously it's not that clear otherwise we wouldn't keep swinging back and forth.
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No "libs" (really) have plenty of issues but we arent discussing them right now. I have plenty of issues with liberals too...the difference is my issues with them are more about attitude. My issues with "cons" is that they tend to act selfishly and in defiance of what is better for everyone.

Remember the changes you are talking about benefited me just fine. My life will certainly be better. The problem is I also am an advocate for Gay Rights (they most certainly wont be) Women's Rights (hahaha like the GOP cares) amongst many others. My girlfriend teaches at risk youth (all with addiction and mental health problems) and we know that isnt going to be well funded anymore.
 
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Immunity from what? What's he done that's illegal?

And if he's done something bad enough that he feels he needs immunity for it, then this is gonna he yuuuuge!!!!
 
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rufus said:
So then, why do so many poor and uneducated people vote for the people who cut public education, cut the social services that help support them if they are out of work or going to school to better themselves, don't support job training and community colleges, make it harder for them to get health care, and so forth.

That was his point. these people, again and again, vote against their own self-interest, while sneering about "elites" and "liberal college-educated know-nothings". And their lot in life keeps getting worse and worse, but they keep voting the same way. And now, they're maybe finally actually seeing that the people they voted for aren't looking out for them, but are making their lives worse, and now they're like, "Wait, we didn't vote for this!!" Well sorry, but you did. And if you'd been paying any kind of attention during this election, you would have known that.

And now you want those "elites" that you sneer at to have pity on you, and help you out. Sorry, been there, done that. The "elites" tried to help you, have been trying to help you for years. And you wanted none of it. So now, you reap what you sow. Time to pick yourself up, help yourself. Bootstraps, baby.
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Bingo!

Its like that girl we all know...she wants to meet a great guy, fall in love and have a family. Yet every Friday night she gets wasted at a bar, goes home with some d-bag and sleeps with him then when he doesnt call gets depressed and the cycle continues. Well after a while it is time to tell her "if that was what you really wanted you wouldnt be doing everything you can to prevent yourself from having it."

Look at WI...Walker has all but destroyed their economy, ruined their school system and walked back protections and Rights for thousands...and yet the very people he screws over the most wont stop voting for him. Well too flipping bad if you arent going to help yourself dont look at me to help you.

The Red States are getting their wish...they dont have to live under the thumb of the Blue States and their liberal agenda and high taxes! Well, when twisters hit Mississippi and the Gulf is not swimmable because they lost their regulations and refused federal money (they did) that is just too bad. When the Red River floods North Dakota can deal with it on their own. When the levee breaks Louisiana can have their corrupt leaders help them out because now I dont want my tax dollars to do so. The United Red States of Real Murica can do as they please.
 
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rufus said:
Immunity from what? What's he done that's illegal?

And if he's done something bad enough that he feels he needs immunity for it, then this is gonna he yuuuuge!!!!
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Like I said...just like the mob. My guess is he doesnt have much but he is just one domino. Trump should have never thrown him under the bus to protect himself and Pence.

Now the question is...how will the GOP try and block this one?

One week into spring and Trump is already at Nixon levels...if the Dems controlled Congress he would be a Dead Man Walking.
 
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Handyman said:
Bingo!

Its like that girl we all know...she wants to meet a great guy, fall in love and have a family. Yet every Friday night she gets wasted at a bar, goes home with some d-bag and sleeps with him then when he doesnt call gets depressed and the cycle continues. Well after a while it is time to tell her "if that was what you really wanted you wouldnt be doing everything you can to prevent yourself from having it."

Look at WI...Walker has all but destroyed their economy, ruined their school system and walked back protections and Rights for thousands...and yet the very people he screws over the most wont stop voting for him. Well too flipping bad if you arent going to help yourself dont look at me to help you.

The Red States are getting their wish...they dont have to live under the thumb of the Blue States and their liberal agenda and high taxes! Well, when twisters hit Mississippi and the Gulf is not swimmable because they lost their regulations and refused federal money (they did) that is just too bad. When the Red River floods North Dakota can deal with it on their own. When the levee breaks Louisiana can have their corrupt leaders help them out because now I dont want my tax dollars to do so. The United Red States of Real Murica can do as they please.
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I wish. They get the money anyway.
 
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Wasn't Flynn agreeing to testify reported almost a week or two ago?
 
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I wonder at what point Trump became aware he was going to spend the rest of his life in a federal PMITA prison. Has he yet? Oh how I wish I could be a fly on the wall when that moment happens.
 
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