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POTUS 45.65: I'm Just Here For The Lincoln Project Ads

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I was talking about the SovCit weirdness with a lawyer friend (a Republican in remission, in fact) and he sent me this story:

Thirteen years ago I applied for a job at a debt collection law firm just for the hell of it. I had checked them out and they seemed pretty ethical. Not zombie debt collectors. I went for the interview and they explained that one small part of the job would be to travel to Kentucky or Tennessee a few times per year to hit a bunch of courthouses for a few weeks and get judgments for outstanding credit card debts owed by people who think the income tax is unconstitutional because those same people, naturally, decided that credit card companies were barred by the constitution from collecting money owed to them. The law partner explained that the anti-credit card people all used the same paperwork in the motions that they filed and just shared the same motion by circulating it amongst themselves in their little community. The arguments were all complete gibberish.

I passed on the job.
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LynahFan said:
Let me guess - that motion starts with Exodus and ends with Leviticus....
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Sometimes. But they do have actual legal sounding arguments. Meaning they speak using legalese and cite a bunch of statutes. It's still gibberish and exactly none of it means what they think it means. There are a lot of SovCit YouTube videos of them using these arguments. One involved the SovCit threaten to call Donald Trump on the cop that pulled him over. The Moors are a group that makes similar arguments, but theirs are based on the belief that they are descendants of the Moroccan Empire that was established before even the Native Americans got here, so they don't have to obey the laws of the United States corporation. They also like to cite the 1871 DC Act as evidence (even though that was repealed in 1874).
 
MinnesotaNorthStar said:
The Moors are a group that makes similar arguments, but theirs are based on the belief that they are descendants of the Moroccan Empire that was established before even the Native Americans got here, so they don't have to obey the laws of the United States corporation. They also like to cite the 1871 DC Act as evidence (even though that was repealed in 1874).
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Those are the dudes who you go out for groceries and come back and they're squatting in your house, right?

Those f-ckers are scary. Like NFAC.
 
LynahFan said:
Let me guess - that motion starts with Exodus and ends with Leviticus....
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Kepler said:
I assume it references Jekyll Island and the (((Rothchilds))).
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If you guys have never seen sovereign citizens in action in person, they are a sight to behold. They cite the UCC nonstop (that's the uniform commercial code, for you non-lawyers), believe the highest authority in the country is the local county sheriff, and think there's a difference between John Q Smith and JOHN Q SMITH(C).

There is literally no way to describe them without sounding crazy yourself.
 
unofan said:
If you guys have never seen sovereign citizens in action in person, they are a sight to behold. They cite the UCC nonstop (that's the uniform commercial code, for you non-lawyers), believe the highest authority in the country is the local county sheriff, and think there's a difference between John Q Smith and JOHN Q SMITH(C).

There is literally no way to describe them without sounding crazy yourself.
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I had a work friend once spend an entire lunch explaining to me how we don't have to pay taxes unless we work directly for the USG.

He also believed Enron was an innocent victim set up by "the communists in the California government."
 
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I just realized Ghislane is still unpardoned. That’s kind of an embarrassing oversight for Dump, isn’t it? I mean Steve Bannon got a pardon. Is she that broke that she couldn’t come up with $2M?
 
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So it seems that all 5 lawyers quit because Trump wants to use the Big Lie as his defense. He wants to argue the election was stolen. That is the rumor anyways...
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His instincts tell him (accurately) that his fans will be energized by that argument, while understanding constitutionality is just beyond their tool set.

I'm sure we pinko libs would all love to see him go with the Big Lie defense. Is he insisting on testifying?

This trial, if it happens, could either be a frustrating nothingburger or a delicious show.
 
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Handyman said:
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So it seems that all 5 lawyers quit because Trump wants to use the Big Lie as his defense. He wants to argue the election was stolen. That is the rumor anyways...
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This should be fun. We will make Senators vote for two huge things- one is that they are ok with someone calling for a violent attack directly on them. And the other is that they are voting for an invalidation of real votes- which is very unconstitutional.

Give the Lincoln project much more ammo to work with.

Again, I have zero expectations that he will be convicted (although as more more info comes out...) but lets expose the racists for who they are. Some will win their states (who are insane) but some will lose, too.
 
MichVandal said:
This should be fun. We will make Senators vote for two huge things- one is that they are ok with someone calling for a violent attack directly on them. And the other is that they are voting for an invalidation of real votes- which is very unconstitutional.

Give the Lincoln project much more ammo to work with.

Again, I have zero expectations that he will be convicted (although as more more info comes out...) but lets expose the racists for who they are. Some will win their states (who are insane) but some will lose, too.
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I hope trump melts down and admits he committed crimes. And then I expect just 2-5 senators to vote to convict. If he actually puts on a defense and either he or his representation maintains the lies that he did not incite (or even take part in the planning) of 1-6 then I expect Romney might be on an island by himself with a vote to convict. As long as trump is in the picture, the republican party is virtually 100% his. Until republican members of the house and senate feel like trump won't say mean things about them, 99% are going to go along. The genie is out of the bottle.

The best hope for this country is trump finding something else to occupy his time other than politics. Politicians want two things in life; to be elected, and then to be re-elected. If trump is out of the picture some of them will occasionally do the right thing. If he remains engaged politically, they will continue to publicly worship him simply because they will believe that ensures their reelection. They are so afraid of him they don't realize that if they DO convict and then vote to bar him from holding public office again, they would likely solve their problem. A few might pay the price, but after a couple of years his influence would begin to wane. Look how disengaged he was during the 2018 midterms and how well democrats did. It's too bad republican politicians are almost as stupid as a lot of their voters.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
The best hope for this country is trump finding something else to occupy his time other than politics. Politicians want two things in life; to be elected, and then to be re-elected. If trump is out of the picture some of them will occasionally do the right thing. If he remains engaged politically, they will continue to publicly worship him simply because they will believe that ensures their reelection.
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Worked soooo well for Loeffler and Perdue.
 
WeAreNDHockey said:
The best hope for this country is trump finding something else to occupy his time other than politics. Politicians want two things in life; to be elected, and then to be re-elected. If trump is out of the picture some of them will occasionally do the right thing. If he remains engaged politically, they will continue to publicly worship him simply because they will believe that ensures their reelection. They are so afraid of him they don't realize that if they DO convict and then vote to bar him from holding public office again, they would likely solve their problem. A few might pay the price, but after a couple of years his influence would begin to wane. Look how disengaged he was during the 2018 midterms and how well democrats did. It's too bad republican politicians are almost as stupid as a lot of their voters.
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Southern District of New York should tie him up for a little while. I just wish they would bring down the charges now.
 
I'd like to see the Atty who would argue stolen election as a primary defense in that proceeding. I'm sure there are plenty out there who would, but it would probably have to be someone whose professional career is mostly behind them.

One would think, but . . .
 
burd said:
I'd like to see the Atty who would argue stolen election as a primary defense in that proceeding. I'm sure there are plenty out there who would, but it would probably have to be someone whose professional career is mostly behind them.
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burd said:
His instincts tell him (accurately) that his fans will be energized by that argument, while understanding constitutionality is just beyond their tool set.

I'm sure we pinko libs would all love to see him go with the Big Lie defense. Is he insisting on testifying?

This trial, if it happens, could either be a frustrating nothingburger or a delicious show.
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I havent read he wants to testify in any legit source but I guarantee he wants to. He will never have a bully pulpit like that again as a former President until he runs again. It is intoxicating...

But no lawyer can let him do that just like they wouldn't let him talk to Mueller under oath or help his defense in that first trial. Lying to Congress is a crime. Knowingly letting someone lie to Congress would, I would think, be a disbarable offense. It would be a disaster for him and would be a double disaster for the GOP. Talk about Sophie's Choice...they either have to stick to their guns and acquit him despite committing perjury (which make them look weaker than Kevin McCarthy) or they have to change their mind and convict which puts them in the scope of the Trumpers.

I can't see how any lawyer (outside of crackpots like Lin wood and Rudy) could afford to do it. Beyond the legal issues they won't get paid and their reputation will be shot. The amount of business they will likely lose because of it will be insane. Big firms can't survive defending Cletus on meth charges...

I think the trial will be both a nothingburger and a delicious show. Like watching a movie you know the ending to...but if he testifies it will be ramped up to 11 and I wouldn't be surprised if there isn't some "demonstrations" that go bad.
 
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