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POTUS 45.60: He's Such A Delicate Boy and a Hysterical Man

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Kepler said:
Yes. He was also initially anonymous but was sniffed out.

I didn't know this before doing some research but apparently American whistle-blowing really got its institutional support during the Civil War with an effort by Lincoln to empower civilians to rat out war supply profiteers. It was in fact called "Lincoln's Law" for a long time, and it remained very strong and substantially the same until defense contractors exercised their First Amendment Rights by lobbying to weaken it during the middle of the 20th Century.

Plus ca change, plus ca meme chose. The worm in the apple has always been the same.

D'ya ever get the feeling it's always been just the same 500 or so families? I mean whether it's slaves or banks or oil or weapons or data, that it's always been the same handful of as-sholes. No common characteristics -- nothing demographic, not even their politics. Just their money. That they themselves aren't really in control, but are just disease-bearing vectors, and that at the bottom of all the trouble is simply the money. Like blood, money needs to circulate, and like blood when too much of it collects in one place it leads to necrosis.
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I think I do remember something about civil war profiteers and efforts to root them out.

I've just always assumed that ever since the first person claimed power, persons in power have encouraged whistleblowing on those who seek to dispossess them of that power. Just as I've always assumed that five minutes after money was invented, someone was working on an angle to take that money from you.

I'd like to think it's the same 500 or so families, but I don't have that much faith in homo sapiens. I think it's in our DNA to crave money, gold or other items that we can use for barter to acquire material goods or power, and we crave power to put us in a better position to acquire more money, gold and material goods, and more power. It's part of the survival instinct.

The only difference between people is how close to the line, or how far over the line are you willing to go to get those items. Fortunately, the vast majority have such a line, whether it's due to upbringing, faith, fear of prosecution or otherwise. People like Trump, thousands before him, and thousands yet to come, don't have such a fear.
 
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rufus said:
There's money to be made as a president holding global conventions at his own properties, also.

Somehow, you never bother to post your scathing commentary about stuff like that.
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Whatever my comments are, I doubt they rise to the level of "scathing commentary," but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

My response to Scooby was simply this. I think it's silly to think that Trump's crazy tweet rants are going to force future whistleblowers to reconsider their actions. Others may disagree. That's fine. It's just my opinion.
 
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SJHovey said:
Whatever my comments are, I doubt they rise to the level of "scathing commentary," but we'll just have to agree to disagree.

My response to Scooby was simply this. I think it's silly to think that Trump's crazy tweet rants are going to force future whistleblowers to reconsider their actions. Others may disagree. That's fine. It's just my opinion.
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That wasn't his point. His point was Trump's crazy tweet rants are gonna have half this country thinking whistleblowers are the lowest of the low garden variety scum whose information is at best meaningless, and at worst a criminal act. Therefore, not to be believed, about anything. Therefore, anything brought to public attention by whistleblowers is de facto without merit.

As he's convinced half the country about most everything that happens these days, the media, politicians of opposing parties, in short, anyone who doesn't worship and pay divine tribute at the altar of Trump. .
 
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rufus said:
That wasn't his point. His point was Trump's crazy tweet rants are gonna have half this country thinking whistleblowers are the lowest of the low garden variety scum whose information is at best meaningless, and at worst a criminal act. Therefore, not to be believed, about anything. Therefore, anything brought to public attention by whistleblowers is de facto without merit.

As he's convinced half the country about most everything that happens these days, the media, politicians of opposing parties, in short, anyone who doesn't worship and pay divine tribute at the altar of Trump. .
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I think you give him too much credit. People may be persuaded to question the whistleblower's accuracy, his or her motives and his or her personal knowledge of the events, but at the end of the day I think most people's perception of the whistleblower will ultimately be determined by how much of the story is corroborated.
 
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SJHovey said:
I think you give him too much credit. People may be persuaded to question the whistleblower's accuracy, his or her motives and his or her personal knowledge of the events, but at the end of the day I think most people's perception of the whistleblower will ultimately be determined by how much of the story is corroborated.
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Have you been sleeping the last four years? The last 30?

What's people's opinion of Hillary Clinton? How do you suppose those opinions got formed? And don't bother with some high-browed "I think" answer. You know damm well how that happened.
 
SJHovey said:
I think you give him too much credit. People may be persuaded to question the whistleblower's accuracy, his or her motives and his or her personal knowledge of the events, but at the end of the day I think most people's perception of the whistleblower will ultimately be determined by how much of the story is corroborated.
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Lol

Witch hunt!
Fake news!
 
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rufus said:
Have you been sleeping the last four years? The last 30?

What's people's opinion of Hillary Clinton? How do you suppose those opinions got formed? And don't bother with some high-browed "I think" answer. You know damm well how that happened.
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I assume you refer to the Clinton Hunt, sponsored three decades ago and sustained since then by Ailes, Murdoch, Scaife, et al. And that's true. But an interesting question I've never heard discussed is how that campaign and Bill's transgressions shaped not only the public's impression of Hillary, but also her actual political personality. I think she was go-getter when she emerged from the womb, but I wonder how 25 years' worth of smear can affect the way you present yourself to the voters and the press. What I mean is, we know they shaped the way people perceived her actions, but did they also significantly affect the way she acted ?
 
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Dump's lawyers do the full monty in federal district court: it's not just that he can't be indicted, he can't even be investigated.
 
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rufus said:
Hearings will be public, after the pertinent information is gathered. You don't have witnesses to crimes testifying where other witnesses to the same crime can see what they have said, and modify their story to match.
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That was brought up on NPR on my drive home. Pointing out that the Russian reps have not prepared at all for that point. So it's not really clear what the heck their goal is of this "protest" other than pretending that it's wrong. I can't wait to hear this in open hearings. The Russian House members have no real clue what is going to hit them.
 
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One of Sniffles' lawyers argued in court today that he could literally commit murder and there isn't anything that could be done. That he is above the law.

I'd say he has a pre-1215 mentality, but he probably has no idea what relevance that date holds. Or he'd think it was lunchtime.
 
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Honestly I wasn’t sure either, but I guessed right.
 
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ticapnews said:
One of Sniffles' lawyers argued in court today that he could literally commit murder and there isn't anything that could be done. That he is above the law.

I'd say he has a pre-1215 mentality, but he probably has no idea what relevance that date holds. Or he'd think it was lunchtime.
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D or R. Or I. Or Whig. Or whatever.

The. President. IS. NOT. Above. The. Law.


Why is it so difficult for the Republicans to grasp this concept?
 
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aparch said:
D or R. Or I. Or Whig. Or whatever.

The. President. IS. NOT. Above. The. Law.


Why is it so difficult for the Republicans to grasp this concept?
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They do grasp the concept. They disagree with it.
 
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