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POTUS 45.59: It Was a Great Phone Call

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Note too that these polls are actually "backwards" in that they contact potential or likely voters and ask them who they are voting for. But the electorate isn't potential or likely voters; it's the people who actually show up on Election Day.

Polls of people who voted before tell us nothing about people who may vote for the first time (or the first time in a while) next time. So, the Biden numbers are the most accurate since that election will draw out a voter pool most like prior election's. Warren will expand the pool somewhat and Sanders would expand it most of all. This expansion is not necessarily beneficial for the Dem -- for example a candidate with very high negatives could motivate more new negative than positive votes. I tend to doubt it in practice, though. Elections are run on negative campaigning so the type of person who is magnetized by negatives is already going to the polls. Some pro-Hillary voters may have stayed home but every single anti-Hillary voter went to the polls.

My take is that Dump would lose to Biden by 9, Warren by 11, and Sanders by 13. This does not of course take into consideration Russian meddling, voter suppression, and outright electoral fraud like that in NC or other GOP strongholds.

Umm...

Putting Biden aside for a minute, on what planet does Bernie Sanders win by a larger margin than Elizabeth Warren? She's a superior candidate in every way plus she's 8 years younger and doesn't have heart issues or the baggage that Sanders has?
 
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Does Q poll the target states, including WI, MICH, and PENN?

From Wiki:

"The Quinnipiac University Poll is a public opinion polling center based at Quinnipiac University in Connecticut. It surveys public opinion in Connecticut, Florida, New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Virginia, and nationally.[2]"
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Here are the 2020 national Quinnipiac poll head-to-heads just out:<br><br>Biden 51%, Trump 40%<br>Warren 49%, Trump 41%<br>Sanders 49%, Trump 42%</p>— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) <a href="https://twitter.com/ryanstruyk/status/1181649343436091392?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Now...I never thought this would need to be said but, for the benefit of a certain poster who apparently thinks every poll that shows Dems ahead of Trump means this is Hillary 2.0:

THIS DOES NOT MEAN THE DEMS HAVE LOCKED IT UP OR THAT PEOPLE ARE GETTING TO FULL OF THEMSELVES! IT ALSO DOESNT MEAN BIDEN IS THE NEXT PRESIDENT!

With that out of the way...the trendline is nice. With Trumps approval rating below 42% right now gotta keep the pedal to the metal and keep the message clear and succint.

You're so cute when you're angry
 
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You're so cute when you're angry

You think I am angry? That is certainly one interpretation...it is the wrong one but I cant deny you did make one :D

If joe and his hatred doesnt get me angry why would you anger me?

I guarantee you were angrier over Chappelle's comedy special than I could ever be over something you post ;)
 
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Umm...

Putting Biden aside for a minute, on what planet does Bernie Sanders win by a larger margin than Elizabeth Warren? She's a superior candidate in every way plus she's 8 years younger and doesn't have heart issues or the baggage that Sanders has?

More radical is better in the current environment. The more a break from the past of Democrats beholden to corporate interests the more that breaks open a new electorate of people who are sick of the bipartisan destruction of the middle class by the Plutes and their well-paid off enablers in government, business, and media.

The particular strength of the candidate as such no longer matters. Dump's election proved that -- nobody on the planet was more unelectable than Dump. But Dump was also the most extreme possible Republican nominee in jamming their narrative down everybody's throats. He's the Fan Service President. He won because of his Dumpiness, not despite it.

This change has happened for a few reasons:

1. Neither party represents the majority population of the country anymore. Both are predators -- the establishment Dems through corruption and the GOP through overt and formally declared mission.

2. Republican voters no longer have access to reality. They have a support structure which assures them their prejudices and delusions are correct and reality is fake. Once you achieve that you can take your prisoners literally anywhere.

3. It may not really be a change. Both of the above, though not at this extreme, have been true now since at least 1994. It's entirely possible the Dems have merely held themselves back from sweeping reform because of cowardice, not because of conditions on the ground. If I was a Plute trying to protect my privileges against democratic reform, I would fund an openly pro-Pute reactionary party using natavists and racist rhetoric while also scaring the liberal party into doubting itself and worrying about going too far.
 
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And here I thought main news in town was the twins losing streak.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Radical Left Dem Mayor of Minneapolis, Jacob Frey, is doing everything possible to stifle Free Speech despite a record sell-out crowd at the Target Center. Presidents Clinton and Obama paid almost nothing! The Minneapolis Police have been incredible....</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181640563696820224?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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You think I am angry? That is certainly one interpretation...it is the wrong one but I cant deny you did make one :D

If joe and his hatred doesnt get me angry why would you anger me?

I guarantee you were angrier over Chappelle's comedy special than I could ever be over something you post ;)

"No puppet, no puppet, you're the puppet!"
 
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If I was a Plute trying to protect my privileges against democratic reform, I would fund an openly pro-Pute reactionary party using natavists and racist rhetoric while also scaring the liberal party into doubting itself and worrying about going too far.

You ARE a plute, as I doubt they're serving tap water and spam at those Beltway cocktail parties that you attend weekly, but no points off for your lack of self awareness. Nothing which you've written has Sanders as a more viable candidate than Warren even by your own criteria, which was my original question. Not only is Warren better suited to take on the powers that be, given that she seems to have a more detailed grasp of what needs to be done and how, but she doesn't have Sanders negatives or his health issues. Chump won not because he was the most far right candidate. He won because his racism and xenophobia are exactly where the GOP base is despite what the media has been trying to tell us. There is no indication, based on his struggles thus far this year, than Sanders is the best representative of the party or he wouldn't be consistently running in 3rd place.
 
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“In a letter to House leaders, the White House says it will not cooperate with the House impeachment inquiry.”

If the constitution is worthless, let’s confiscate the guns
 
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To be fair I am pretty sure Kepler welcomes when he goes down during the revolution. He doesnt deny he is part of the class he hates. :D
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump promised to eliminate the deficit in eight years. So far, he has increased it by 68% <a href="https://t.co/CfrM9DByax">https://t.co/CfrM9DByax</a></p>— Newsweek (@Newsweek) <a href="https://twitter.com/Newsweek/status/1181653036625739778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

IM SHOCKED!!!
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s hard to count the number of ways that this letter is, constitutionally and legally, garbage. <a href="https://t.co/OIrf1awCHX">https://t.co/OIrf1awCHX</a></p>— George Conway (@gtconway3d) <a href="https://twitter.com/gtconway3d/status/1181680625113321483?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Trump Administration: The reason why a sitting President can't be indicted is because the Constitution expressly creates an alternative, political process for presidential misconduct.<br><br>Also Trump Administration: That alternative process is too political and entirely illegitimate.</p>— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) <a href="https://twitter.com/steve_vladeck/status/1181685556419481603?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">A tsunami is coming for Trump it's amazing the GOP still can't see. The man's a career criminal—chickens are coming home. CNN: "Cohen's expected to be brought back to NYC for a meeting with prosecutors where he's expected to tell them everything he knows." <a href="https://t.co/pZqgMIYAzI">https://t.co/pZqgMIYAzI</a></p>— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1181688155881316353?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">PS/ Remember that Cohen has a year from his sentencing to seek a reduction based on assisting prosecutors. He's going to sing like a canary, and there's little doubt that—once they're able to see Trump's records—prosecutors will be able to corroborate everything Cohen tells them.</p>— Seth Abramson (@SethAbramson) <a href="https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/1181688504402751493?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
You think I am angry?

It seems, "You have anger issues" is once again the favorite ad hom for those who don't want to debate the facts or admit their opinion might be wrong, even if they insist on clinging to it.

We used to do this with Old Pio all the time when we got tired of his shtick, I can see right through it now.
 
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You ARE a plute, as I doubt they're serving tap water and spam at those Beltway cocktail parties that you attend weekly, but no points off for your lack of self awareness. Nothing which you've written has Sanders as a more viable candidate than Warren even by your own criteria, which was my original question. Not only is Warren better suited to take on the powers that be, given that she seems to have a more detailed grasp of what needs to be done and how, but she doesn't have Sanders negatives or his health issues. Chump won not because he was the most far right candidate. He won because his racism and xenophobia are exactly where the GOP base is despite what the media has been trying to tell us. There is no indication, based on his struggles thus far this year, than Sanders is the best representative of the party or he wouldn't be consistently running in 3rd place.

You're still not getting it. Warren (or perhaps even Biden) is the ideal candidate for the Democratic party as currently constituted. Sanders is the ideal candidate to bring new people into the electorate. Well, AOC is, but Bernie's what we've got today.

Also: I'm not a Plute, I'm an elitist snob. There's a big difference. Plutes own the means of production. I don't. Even the sad sack worker bees who fire up the engines of global finance are more guilty of complicity than I. (As a sad sack worker bee who fires up the engine of global weapons manufacture I'm third.)

I don't expect the Great Unwashed Poors to know the difference when they have finally had enough and rise up and fricassee everybody with assets > $1M and I'm absolutely willing to take that ride provided the rest get the national razor, too. We deserve it -- we had some power to do good and did not. A Keplerless world, beheaded of the 1%, is a far, far better thing than the status quo.

And in any case it's not like I'm doing anybody any good trying to educate "moderate" useful idiots whose class fears the actual Plutes manipulate to prevent the significant changes we need. Someday capitalism will be on the trash heap along with totalitarianism and feudalism and warlordism. It was a necessary stage that went from liberator in the 16th century to oppressor in the 19th. Just as with all the prior systems it's stayed way past its period of usefulness because the powers that be don't give up without being shown the door. They will be shown it. And then the successor liberating system will eventually become a business and then a racket and on the world will turn forever.
 
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I have a question...and I am sure it is really dumb but I just got to know. If Impeachment is BS and all of this is made up...why not just let everyone see everything and prove it? Dont the Law and Order Republicans always say "if you havent done anything wrong you have nothing to worry about"? (especially to Dem Darkies!!) The people will turn on the Dems if they feel this is BS and a "fairy tale" so just go to Congress, answer the questions and be done with it!

I will hang up and listen...
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">And he publicly pleaded guilty to it <a href="https://t.co/o2JjutkFJO">https://t.co/o2JjutkFJO</a></p>— Rep. Eric Swalwell (@RepSwalwell) <a href="https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1181681909841182725?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 8, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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